Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is an ABC News special from inside the White House.
Terry Moran (00:05):
When you step back in the Oval Office after you were reelected, what went through your mind? Triumphant when you walked back?
President Donald Trump (00:12):
Yeah there's a feeling of triumph.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
President Donald J. Trump on his 100th day in office from the number one issue, the economy.
Terry Moran (00:20):
People are worried, even some people who voted for you saying, "I didn't sign up for this." So how do you answer those concerns?
President Donald Trump (00:28):
Well, they did sign up for it actually.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
To immigration.
Terry Moran (00:31):
It is an undeniable fact that illegal crossings at the southern border have plummeted a staggering decline. But there are questions about your methods.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
To Elon Musk.
Terry Moran (00:43):
Did DOGE go too far, too fast, too reckless?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
And the concerns from many Americans about the impact of tariffs.
President Donald Trump (00:51):
Everything's going to be just fine.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
President Trump, the first 100 days, the interview in the Oval Office with ABC News anchor and senior national correspondent Terry Moran.
Terry Moran (01:04):
Earlier today, I sat down with President Trump in the Oval Office for an exclusive interview on his 100th day of his second term. It was a great opportunity to ask him some wide-ranging questions about the issues that most concern so many Americans. We talked about the economy and his tariffs. We talked about immigration and those deportations. And you can see here, the White House has put up some posters that they say show some of the violent criminals that have so far been deported. We talked about a lot more as well. The president's answers were provocative, at times, combative, and always he was strong in his convictions about his policies. But before we get to the interview, we begin tonight with a look inside the Oval Office that Donald Trump has transformed.
President Donald Trump (01:54):
Hello, everybody. How are you? This is the Oval Office. This is the Resolute Desk, which is really something very spectacular. There's nothing quite like it, and they give you a choice of about seven different desks, but this is the one I chose. Ronald Reagan had it. FDR had it, a few people had it, but I found it to be the most beautiful.
Terry Moran (02:17):
It is amazing.
President Donald Trump (02:18):
This is an amazing space and amazing, maybe architecturally wonderful but amazing for what it represents. It represents the U.S. And if properly used, a lot of good things can happen.
Terry Moran (02:34):
I see Ronald Reagan over there.
President Donald Trump (02:35):
Yeah, Ronald-
Terry Moran (02:36):
Right to your left.
President Donald Trump (02:37):
Being in the Oval Office is very important. So you have Ronald Reagan here and put him a little bit larger. Sort of seemed to fit very nicely. You have Democrats a little bit. You have…
Terry Moran (02:51):
Franklin Roosevelt.
President Donald Trump (02:53):
Franklin Roosevelt. So you look at that picture and people say, "Well, what's he doing up there?" But look, he was a serious president, whether we like it or not. He was a four termer and went through a war. You have Lincoln, you have Washington, but you look over here, that's Monroe, the Monroe Doctrine.
Terry Moran (03:12):
Why is he up there?
President Donald Trump (03:13):
I think the Monroe Doctrine was pretty important. That was his claim to fame. Over here you have the original of Abraham Lincoln and George Washington, and of course you have the Declaration of Independence.
Terry Moran (03:26):
What does it mean to you?
President Donald Trump (03:28):
Well, it means exactly what it says. It's a declaration. It's a declaration of unity and love and respect, and it means a lot and it's something very special to our country.
Terry Moran (03:40):
Lincoln's portrait up there, I'm not familiar with that one, but I think when I'm looking at that famous line in the second inaugural, "With malice toward none, with charity through it all. Is that-
President Donald Trump (03:53):
Well, he was a great president. He went through a lot.
Terry Moran (03:57):
And the Oval Office is always changing between presidents.
President Donald Trump (04:00):
It changes.
Terry Moran (04:01):
And it says something.
President Donald Trump (04:02):
It does.
Terry Moran (04:02):
What does this say about how you feel about the country and the office [inaudible 00:04:06]?
President Donald Trump (04:06):
Well, I think it says, I love the country. I mean, I'm putting pictures of presidents up that have never been up. Pictures that weren't largely used, and in many cases, great men in this case, men, but great men of great achievement.
Terry Moran (04:22):
And your every detail it seems. This is your office.
President Donald Trump (04:27):
I'm a very detailed person. I'm a very clean person. I like cleanliness. I like to see this space be treated properly. I've added a lot to the space in terms of beautification, in terms of modernization. That's-
Terry Moran (04:43):
A gallery of presidents.
President Donald Trump (04:45):
It really is. It really is. And it's an honor to have you people with us.
Terry Moran (04:50):
Mr. President, thank you for doing this.
President Donald Trump (04:51):
Thank you very much.
Terry Moran (04:52):
Here in the Oval Office, it's special a hundred days into your second term. So what's the one thing, just one thing that you think is the most significant thing you've done so far in these a hundred days?
President Donald Trump (05:07):
Well, I think maybe the border is the most significant because our country was really going bad. They were allowing people to come in from prisons, as you know, and you've heard me say it, but you've heard a lot of people say it. Prisons, mental institutions, gang members, murderers. We had many murderers, 11,888, they think. Some murdered more than one person. So you had murderers coming in. You had everybody coming in and not just South America, from all over the world. They were emptying their prisons into our country. And now it's totally closed down. And you've seen just yesterday they announced 99.9%. Nobody thought that could happen. And it happened quickly, very quickly and I think that's very significant.
(05:49)
But we're doing other things that are very significant. Results will take a little bit longer because it's one of those, it's complicated. Many years of trading abuse, we've been abused by other countries for years and years. They laughed at us. They thought we were stupid people and we're fixing it. And I think that's going to be very, very important. But I-
Terry Moran (06:11):
We have a lot of ground to cover.
President Donald Trump (06:12):
Yeah, I would really say that the border is so important. Just can't-
Terry Moran (06:16):
And we'll get there.
President Donald Trump (06:17):
[inaudible 00:06:17].
Terry Moran (06:17):
Immigration, huge and we're going to get there, but I want to start with the economy, the number one issue for so many people, just about everybody, it's one of the main reasons that you're back in this office. And now we have this trade war with China that Moody's and other analysts say is going to cost American families thousands of more dollars per year. And there is a lot of concern out there. People are worried, and some people who voted for you saying, "I didn't sign up for this." So how do you answer those concerns?
President Donald Trump (06:48):
Well, they did sign up for it actually, and this is what I campaigned on. I said that we've been abused by other countries at levels that nobody's ever seen before. We were losing three to $5 billion a day on trade. We were losing a trillion and a half to $2 trillion a year. Not sustainable. They were taking advantage of us like they've never, I could have left it that way, and at some point there would have been an implosion like nobody's ever seen. But I said, "No, we have to fix it." I've wanted to do this for many years.
(07:24)
I had the best economy during my first term. We had a tremendous economy, tremendous success, and we did tremendous numbers of tariffs on, we took in a lot of money from tariffs, China in particular, hundreds of billions of dollars in tariffs. We had no inflation, as you know. We had an incredible economy. We're given credit for a great economy. But I said, "We have to fix this. Otherwise, it's just not self-sustaining."
Terry Moran (07:49):
But one of the things you ran on was you'd said you'd bring prices down on day one and that it would [inaudible 00:07:57] happen fast and that it would happen fast.
President Donald Trump (07:58):
They have.
Terry Moran (07:58):
And most economists will tell you the tariffs will raise prices. So don't your tariffs cut against that promise you made to bring prices down?
President Donald Trump (08:08):
No, because I had massive tariffs on China, if you remember in my first term. And we had essentially no inflation around 1% inflation, which is a perfect number. And then when Biden took over, it went through the roof. It went to probably the worst inflation we've ever had. I mean, we had an inflation nightmare.
(08:29)
Now, if you look at what's happening now, we're only there for a hundred days, as you say. And in a hundred days we took over, we had bad inflation for four years, for two years of especially two years of his administration. I would say record setting like we've never seen. They say 48 years, the worst in 48 years.
Terry Moran (08:51):
You lived through that. I have too. Yeah.
President Donald Trump (08:51):
I say it was much worse than that. Right. So now if you look at what's happened, energy is down. Gasoline hit $1.98 in a few states during the last couple of days, it was $3 and 50 cents and $4 and $4.50 cents. But gasoline is way down. When I took over, you remember the big thing with eggs? They hit me the first week. "Eggs, eggs, eggs," like it was my fault. I said, "I didn't cause this problem. This problem was caused by Biden. What's the problem with eggs?" And they said, "They've doubled," and well, eggs are down 87% since I got involved.
Terry Moran (09:30):
A lot of that is bird flu.
President Donald Trump (09:31):
By the way, and there were plenty of eggs for Easter, which we just went through. There were plenty of eggs for Easter. They were saying, "You won't have enough eggs for Easter." My secretary did a fantastic job on eggs. Groceries are down, everything's down. Interest rates are the same. Interest rates should be down, but we have a Federal Reserve that wants to be stubborn. They want to be cute.
Terry Moran (09:52):
We'll get to that. You said something a couple of weeks ago that struck me. You said, concerning the tariffs, which economists say are going to raise prices, you said, "Hang tough. It won't be easy." You said that to the American people. Is that what Americans should expect?
President Donald Trump (10:08):
Well, I've said-
Terry Moran (10:09):
Some hard times?
President Donald Trump (10:10):
I've said that during [inaudible 00:10:11] my campaign. Look, we won a campaign by a lot. We won all seven swing states. We won the popular vote by a lot. We had a tremendous campaign. I said all of these things during my campaign. I said, "You're going to have a transition period. We've been ripped off by every country all over the world. They're laughing at us. They thought we were stupid people and we were." And I said, "That's not going to happen. We're not going to let that happen."
Terry Moran (10:33):
Hard times? Hard times are ahead?
President Donald Trump (10:35):
I don't think so.
Terry Moran (10:36):
Hang tough.
President Donald Trump (10:37):
I think great times are ahead. Look, since I came in, gasoline is down, groceries are down, egg prices are down, many things are down. Just about everything. You don't have the drop in fuel and energy and oil like we did. I took it from maybe $3.20, maybe more than that, down into a much lower number.
President Donald Trump (11:00):
When you have that kind of a drop, you're not going to have inflation.
Terry Moran (11:03):
Not now, but it's the tariffs, right? We still have 145% tariffs on China.
President Donald Trump (11:07):
What is it the-
Terry Moran (11:07):
Your Treasury Secretary said we basically have an embargo on China?
President Donald Trump (11:10):
Look, you're trying to say something's going to happen to our…
Terry Moran (11:13):
No. No, no. No. Okay. Well-
President Donald Trump (11:13):
Nothing's going to happen.
Terry Moran (11:14):
You know business.
President Donald Trump (11:14):
Terry-
Terry Moran (11:15):
I want to ask you, I want to ask.
President Donald Trump (11:16):
… I do know business.
Terry Moran (11:17):
Yes. So 145% tariffs on China, and that is-
President Donald Trump (11:21):
That's good. That's good.
Terry Moran (11:21):
… basically an embargo.
President Donald Trump (11:23):
They deserve it.
Terry Moran (11:23):
It'll raise prices on everything-
President Donald Trump (11:25):
They deserve it.
Terry Moran (11:25):
… from electronics to clothing to building houses.
President Donald Trump (11:28):
You don't know that. You don't know whether or not China's going to eat it.
Terry Moran (11:31):
That's mathematics.
President Donald Trump (11:31):
China probably will eat those tariffs, but at 145, they basically can't do much business with the United States. And they were making from us a trillion dollars a year. They were ripping us off like nobody's ever ripped us off. And by the way, we have other countries that were just as bad. If you look at the European Union, it was terrible what they've done to us. Every country, almost every country in the world was ripping us off. They're not doing that anymore.
Terry Moran (11:56):
I want you to think about the boom that this country has had in small businesses. Mom-and-pop, Etsy stores, small businesses that became big businesses.
President Donald Trump (12:04):
Really? They haven't had a boom because of inflation.
Terry Moran (12:06):
Well, what they've done-
President Donald Trump (12:07):
The boom, the boom was inflationary boom. The people were wiped out with inflation.
Terry Moran (12:11):
Yes.
President Donald Trump (12:12):
I mean, you read the news, through the business stuff, I assume.
Terry Moran (12:14):
Now they face… A lot of them built those businesses on the trading model before you.
President Donald Trump (12:20):
Yeah, and they're going to make more money now.
Terry Moran (12:21):
They sourced their products overseas and now they're looking at an extinction event.
President Donald Trump (12:26):
I've been here-
Terry Moran (12:27):
Disaster for them.
President Donald Trump (12:28):
I've been here for three months. I've taken a trade deficit down to a number that's starting to get really good. I just got here. We had a country that it was not sustainable. What Biden did to this country between the open borders where criminals poured into our country, between every country in the world ripping us off on trade. It was not sustainable.
Terry Moran (12:53):
So your message to those small businesses who are saying we can't live a month, two months with these tariffs. Apple got a big deal. Is there something for them?
President Donald Trump (13:02):
No. No. Not only Apple. We've got 7 to $8 trillion being invested in our country in two months. Biden didn't have that over a year. I mean, if you look at Biden, nobody was really investing in this country. Everybody was ripping off our country. Apple's putting up $500 billion, but that's only one of many companies. Companies are flooding into our country right now.
Terry Moran (13:24):
So your answer to the concern about the tariffs is everything's going to be hunky dory.
President Donald Trump (13:28):
Everything's going to be just fine. It wouldn't have been if I didn't do this. I had a choice. I could leave it to have a nice easy time. But I think ultimately you would've had an implosion. Our country had inflation that was worse than they've ever had it before. You don't mention that. Why don't you mention that? We had the worst inflation probably in the history of our country. People say 48 years, probably in the history of our country we had the worst inflation. And people were dying over the inflation. You know that. Now the grocery prices are coming down, the energy prices are coming down, gasoline's coming down. It's all heading in the right direction.
Terry Moran (14:08):
Okay, let's move on to immigration.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Coming up.
Terry Moran (14:12):
It is an undeniable fact that illegal crossings at the southern border have plummeted a staggering decline. But there are questions about your methods.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
President Trump, The First 100 Days Continues.
Terry Moran (14:32):
Okay, let's move on to immigration. And as you said, it is an undeniable fact that illegal crossings at the southern border have plummeted a staggering decline. But there are questions about your methods, and so I want to ask you-
President Donald Trump (14:46):
About my message?
Terry Moran (14:47):
Methods, about your methods. How you're accomplishing this?
President Donald Trump (14:49):
Well, they seem to work.
Terry Moran (14:52):
Do you acknowledge that under our law, every single person who gets deported gets a hearing first to make their case?
President Donald Trump (15:01):
Well, are we talking about people that are citizens of our country or not?
Terry Moran (15:05):
No, you're not deporting citizens at this point.
President Donald Trump (15:07):
Well, let me ask you, did they get hearings when Biden allowed 21 million, because I think the number's 21, 20 million people to flow into our country? You had 21 million people that came into our country through a stupid open border and they were prisoners and they were people that you don't want in many cases in our country. They came from all over the world. They came from the Congo, they came from South, they came from all over the world. We're talking about some of the roughest countries in the world they had here including terrorists, by the way. Now-
Terry Moran (15:42):
But the law-
President Donald Trump (15:43):
… did we give them a hearing when they came in?
Terry Moran (15:45):
Well, the law requires that every single person who is going to be deported gets a hearing first. Do you acknowledge that?
President Donald Trump (15:51):
Well, I'll have to ask the lawyers about that. All I can say is this. If you're going to have 21 million people, and we have to get a lot of them out because they're criminals, we're going to have to act fast. Do you think we can give 21 million trials? Let's say each trial takes two weeks. Is that what you want us to do? Give 21 million.
Terry Moran (16:11):
The law is the law, sir. The law is the law and you are sworn to uphold it.
President Donald Trump (16:15):
No, no. The law doesn't say anything about trials.
Terry Moran (16:15):
No, not trials. Hearings. I said hearings.
President Donald Trump (16:17):
These people came in, they're not citizens. They came in illegally. They came into our country illegally. We have to get them out.
Terry Moran (16:23):
There's a legal process for that.
President Donald Trump (16:24):
I can't… Sure. And we follow the legal process. I can't have a trial, a major trial-
Terry Moran (16:31):
I'm not saying they do.
President Donald Trump (16:31):
… for every person that came in illegally. We have thousands of murderers that came in. They're going to murder people. They already have murdered people in our country.
Terry Moran (16:40):
Right. So-
President Donald Trump (16:41):
We have to get them out-
Terry Moran (16:42):
They're bad guys.
President Donald Trump (16:42):
… and we have to get them out fast.
Terry Moran (16:43):
Really bad guys. But in our country, even bad guys get due process. Right?
President Donald Trump (16:48):
If people come into our country illegally, there's a different standard. These are illegal. They came in illegally.
Terry Moran (16:55):
But they get due process.
President Donald Trump (16:56):
Well, they get a process where we have to get them out. Yeah.
Terry Moran (17:00):
Okay, let's talk about the Venezuelans.
President Donald Trump (17:01):
They get whatever my lawyers say.
Terry Moran (17:03):
Right. All right, let's talk about the Venezuelans. You deported more than 200 Venezuelans to that prison in El Salvador. You say they're violent, they're gang members, they're terrorists. Many of them don't have a criminal record-
President Donald Trump (17:15):
They are, by the way.
Terry Moran (17:16):
… at all.
President Donald Trump (17:17):
Well, I'm not so sure about that if you take a look.
Terry Moran (17:20):
I want to read you something.
President Donald Trump (17:21):
Excuse me. When you look at those people, they were violent people. They were violent people.
Terry Moran (17:28):
But many of them don't have a criminal record at this point.
President Donald Trump (17:30):
Go ahead.
Terry Moran (17:30):
I want to read you something.
President Donald Trump (17:30):
That's what you say.
Terry Moran (17:30):
Well, it's-
President Donald Trump (17:30):
Go ahead.
Terry Moran (17:33):
… based on their lawyer, what their lawyers have said.
President Donald Trump (17:35):
Go ahead.
Terry Moran (17:35):
Okay.
President Donald Trump (17:36):
Go ahead.
Terry Moran (17:38):
Joe Rogan said this. Joe Rogan, one of the leading podcasters, Trump supporter, about the deportation of Venezuelans. He said, "Rounding up gang members and shipping them to El Salvador with no due process," he said, "was dangerous," and added "we got to be careful that we don't become monsters while we're fighting monsters."
President Donald Trump (17:58):
I agree with that.
Terry Moran (17:58):
Is Joe Rogan, right?
President Donald Trump (17:59):
Oh, I agree with that a hundred percent. Yeah. We want to be careful and we are careful. We're doing something that has to be done. We have a country that's very sick. Joe Biden, and it's not him because I don't even think he knew what the hell was happening, but the people around him are vicious people. And what they've done to the country is unbelievable. They've allowed 21 million people to pour into our country. Many of these people are criminals. They've allowed the, you mentioned Venezuela, the jails of Venezuela to be emptied into the United States. Do you know Venezuela crime is way down, way, way down. You know why? Because their criminals are now living happily in the United States of America and we're getting them out. And I was elected to get them out, and we're getting them out.
Terry Moran (18:47):
Under the law. It sounds like…
President Donald Trump (18:48):
And we're getting them out fast, and we're getting them out legally. Now, in some cases, we have judges. In some cases, they're radical left judges. What happened the other day where a judge was protecting a criminal was horrible. And I think she's got big problems, frankly.
Terry Moran (19:04):
Probably. Want to talk about-
President Donald Trump (19:06):
And there are a couple of them like that.
Terry Moran (19:06):
I want to talk about one man.
President Donald Trump (19:07):
Wait a minute.
Terry Moran (19:07):
Yeah.
President Donald Trump (19:07):
We have to be treated fairly by judges and we're not being treated fairly by all judges.
Terry Moran (19:13):
Oh, that's a subject. So you're saying that you don't like some of the rulings, some of the court orders?
President Donald Trump (19:17):
Well, I think the rulings will be overturned. Yeah.
Terry Moran (19:20):
All right. Let me ask you about one man in one court order. Kilmar Abrego Garcia. He's the Salvadoran man who crossed into this country illegally, but who is under a protective order that he not be sent back to El Salvador. Your government sent him back to El Salvador and acknowledged in court that was a mistake, and now the Supreme Court has upheld an order that you must return him, to facilitate his return to the United States. What are you doing to comply?
President Donald Trump (19:44):
Well, the lawyer that said it was a mistake was here a long time, was not appointed by us. Should not have said that. Should not have said that. And just so you understand.
Terry Moran (19:54):
Said it in court. Said it in court.
President Donald Trump (19:54):
… the person that you're talking about, you're making this person sound… This is a MS-13 gang member, a tough cookie, been in lots of skirmishes, beat the hell out of his wife and the wife was petrified to even talk about him. Okay? This is not an innocent, wonderful gentleman from Maryland.
Terry Moran (20:12):
I'm not saying he's a good guy. It's about the rule of law. The order from the Supreme Court stands, sir.
President Donald Trump (20:17):
He came into our country illegally.
Terry Moran (20:18):
You could get him back. There's a phone on this desk.
President Donald Trump (20:21):
I could.
Terry Moran (20:21):
You could pick it up.
President Donald Trump (20:22):
I could.
Terry Moran (20:22):
And with all the power of the presidency, you could call up the president of El Salvador and say, "Send him back." Right now.
President Donald Trump (20:27):
And if he were the gentleman that you say he is, I would do that. But he's not.
Terry Moran (20:30):
But the court has ordered you to facilitate his release.
President Donald Trump (20:33):
I'm not the one making this decision. We have lawyers-
Terry Moran (20:36):
You're the president.
President Donald Trump (20:36):
… that don't want to do this, Terry.
Terry Moran (20:38):
But the buck stops in this office.
President Donald Trump (20:40):
No, no, no, no. I follow the law. You want me to follow the law. If I were the president that just wanted to do anything, I'd probably keep him right where he is.
Terry Moran (20:47):
Supreme Court says what the law is.
President Donald Trump (20:48):
Listen, I was elected to take care of a problem, it was a unforced error that was made by a very incompetent man. A man that turned out to be incompetent, that you always said was wonderful, a great genius, right? And now you find out. All of the media now they're saying what a mistake they made. A man who was grossly incompetent allowed us to have open borders where millions of people float in. I campaigned on that issue. I wouldn't say it was my number one issue, but it was pretty close.
Terry Moran (21:20):
Right up there.
President Donald Trump (21:20):
I campaigned on that issue. I've done an amazing job. I have closed borders. He said, "You couldn't do it. You wouldn't be able to do it. It would never happen." Well, it happened and it happened very quickly. Wait a minute. When we have criminals, murderers, criminals in this country, we have to get them out and we're doing it.
Terry Moran (21:37):
By law.
President Donald Trump (21:37):
And you'll pick out one man. But even the man that you picked out,
Terry Moran (21:40):
He's got a-
President Donald Trump (21:41):
… he said he wasn't a member of a gang. And then they looked and on his knuckles he had MS-13.
Terry Moran (21:48):
There's a dispute over that.
President Donald Trump (21:49):
Well, wait a minute, wait a minute. He had MS-13-
Terry Moran (21:50):
Well, it didn't say-
President Donald Trump (21:51):
… on his knuckles tattooed.
Terry Moran (21:53):
Oh, he had some tattoos that are interpreted that way. But let's move on.
President Donald Trump (21:56):
Wait a minute. Hey, Terry. Terry. Terry. Don't do that.
Terry Moran (21:58):
He did not have the letter MS-13.
President Donald Trump (21:59):
It says MS-13.
Terry Moran (00:00):
Terry Moran (22:00):
MS-13.
President Donald Trump (22:00):
It says MS-13.
Terry Moran (22:02):
That was photoshopped, so let me -
President Donald Trump (22:04):
That was Photoshop? Terry, you can't do that.
Terry Moran (22:06):
I can't hear that.
President Donald Trump (22:06):
Hey, they're giving you the big break of a lifetime, you're doing the interview. I picked you because frankly I never heard of you, but that's okay.
Terry Moran (22:13):
I knew this would come.
President Donald Trump (22:14):
But I picked you, Terry, but you're not being very nice. He had MS-13 tattooed -
Terry Moran (22:18):
All right. All right. We'll agree to disagree.
President Donald Trump (22:19):
Terry.
Terry Moran (22:20):
I want to move on to something else.
President Donald Trump (22:20):
Terry. Do you want me to show you the picture?
Terry Moran (22:23):
I saw the picture. We'll agree to disagree.
President Donald Trump (22:26):
Oh, and you think it was Photoshop?
Terry Moran (22:27):
Here we go, here we go.
President Donald Trump (22:27):
Well, don't Photoshop it.
Terry Moran (22:28):
All right.
President Donald Trump (22:28):
Go look at his hand. He had MS-13.
Terry Moran (22:30):
Fair enough. He did have tattoos that can be interpreted that way. I'm not an expert on them. I want to turn to Ukraine, sir, I want to get to Ukraine.
President Donald Trump (22:34):
Terry, no, no. No, no. He had MS as clear as you can be, not interpreted. This is why -
Terry Moran (22:42):
All right.
President Donald Trump (22:42):
- people no longer believe --
Terry Moran (22:43):
Well -
President Donald Trump (22:44):
- the news, because it's fake news.
Terry Moran (22:45):
When he was photographed in El Salvador, they aren't there, but let's just go on. They aren't there when he's in El Salvador.
President Donald Trump (22:51):
Oh, they weren't there, but they're there now, right?
Terry Moran (22:53):
Take a look at the photograph. No.
President Donald Trump (22:54):
But they're there now.
Terry Moran (22:54):
They're in your picture.
President Donald Trump (22:55):
Terry.
Terry Moran (22:56):
Ukraine, sir.
President Donald Trump (22:56):
He's got MS-13 on his knuckles.
Terry Moran (22:59):
All right.
President Donald Trump (23:00):
Okay?
Terry Moran (23:01):
We'll take a look at that.
President Donald Trump (23:01):
It's such a disservice.
Terry Moran (23:03):
We'll take a look at that, sir.
President Donald Trump (23:04):
Why don't you just say, yes, he does, and go on to something else?
Terry Moran (23:08):
It's contested. Ukraine.
Announcer (23:10):
Coming up. The Russia-Ukraine War.
President Donald Trump (23:13):
Don't forget -
Terry Moran (23:13):
You think he wants peace.
President Donald Trump (23:13):
This is a -
Terry Moran (23:14):
You think Vladimir Putin wants peace.
Announcer (23:17):
And that historic meeting. President Trump: The First 100 Days continues.
Terry Moran (23:28):
I want to turn, I was just in Rome, and to that moving photograph of you and President Zelensky sitting in St. Peter's Basilica talking peace.
President Donald Trump (23:39):
Yeah.
Terry Moran (23:39):
It went around the world.
President Donald Trump (23:41):
Sure.
Terry Moran (23:42):
Take us into that moment.
President Donald Trump (23:45):
Well, look, the Ukraine is a very serious, very tough, situation. And this is Biden's war. This is not my war, but I want to see if I can solve it because probably close to 5,000 young soldiers a week are being killed, Russian and Ukrainian. We also spend a tremendous amount of money in Ukraine, and Europe should be spending much more than us. They're not. They're spending much less. It's been badly handled by the Biden administration. It's been badly handled all the way around. All the way around.
Terry Moran (24:16):
But that, that moment.
President Donald Trump (24:18):
The moment was a moment of solace, in a sense, because tremendous numbers of people are dying. A lot of his people are dying. They're being killed and I feel very badly about it. I feel very badly about it. That's a war that would have never happened if I were President and it didn't happen for four years. It was never even a thought of it happening.
Terry Moran (24:39):
It does feel like something's happening. After that meeting with Zelensky in St. Peter's, you posted this on social media. "There was no reason for Putin to be shooting missiles into civilian areas and cities and towns over the last few days. It makes me think that maybe -"
President Donald Trump (24:54):
Well, that was part of my post, but you're right. That was a part of a post. Yes.
Terry Moran (24:57):
And it says, "it makes me think that maybe he doesn't want to stop the war. He's just tapping me along."
President Donald Trump (25:03):
Yeah, that's possible, sure.
Terry Moran (25:04):
He might be -
President Donald Trump (25:05):
He could be tapping me along a little bit. I would say that he would like to stop the war.
Terry Moran (25:12):
You believe it?
President Donald Trump (25:13):
I think that if it weren't for me, I think he'd want to take over the whole country, personally. I always felt. So when I left, there wasn't even a chance that this would happen. When Biden got involved, I won't say whether or not he handled it properly, but obviously it wasn't good because the war started. Putin went in, the war started. I believe that Putin wanted to get all of Ukraine once he went in. And I think part of the reason he went in, he saw what happened in Afghanistan, how incompetently Milley and all these guys handled that. It was one of the greatest embarrassments of our lifetimes, but maybe in the history of our country. Okay. So Putin went in. I think Putin wanted all of Ukraine.
Terry Moran (25:54):
Right.
President Donald Trump (25:54):
I think if I didn't win the election, he would have gotten all of Ukraine. I think he would have taken all of Ukraine.
Terry Moran (26:00):
From -
President Donald Trump (26:00):
I think his first choice - never with me. He would have never gone in. With this group of losers, he went in, he saw what happened in Afghanistan, he said, "Wow, this is my chance," because it was always the apple of his eye. I talked to him. Ukraine was the apple of his eye. I think he wanted the whole country.
Terry Moran (26:18):
You said for months that -
President Donald Trump (26:19):
And because of me, I do believe that -
Terry Moran (26:22):
Yeah. Yeah.
President Donald Trump (26:22):
He's willing to stop the fighting. Don't forget -
Terry Moran (26:25):
You think he wants peace?
President Donald Trump (26:25):
- this is a -
Terry Moran (26:26):
You think Vladimir Putin wants peace?
President Donald Trump (26:29):
I think he does. Yes. I think he does.
Terry Moran (26:30):
Still?
President Donald Trump (26:32):
I think -
Terry Moran (26:32):
Even with the raining missiles on -
President Donald Trump (26:36):
I think he really, his dream was to take over the whole country. I think because of me, he's not going to do that.
Terry Moran (26:42):
Do you trust him?
President Donald Trump (26:43):
I think -
Terry Moran (26:44):
Do you trust him?
President Donald Trump (26:44):
I don't trust you. I don't trust, I don't trust a lot of people. I don't trust you. Look at you. You come in all shooting for bear. You're so happy to do the interview.
Terry Moran (26:52):
I am happy.
President Donald Trump (26:52):
And then you start hitting me with fake questions. You start telling me that a guy whose hand is covered -
Terry Moran (26:57):
All right, we're back to that.
President Donald Trump (26:57):
- with a tattoo doesn't have the tattoo, you know.
Terry Moran (26:59):
All right.
President Donald Trump (27:00):
I mean, you're being dishonest.
Terry Moran (27:01):
No, I'm not.
President Donald Trump (27:02):
Let me just -
Terry Moran (27:02):
No, I am not, sir.
President Donald Trump (27:03):
Do I trust, I don't trust a lot of people. But I do think this, I think that he, let's say he respects me and I believe because of me, he's not going to take over the whole, but his decision, his choice would be to take over all of Ukraine.
Terry Moran (27:20):
Okay.
President Donald Trump (27:20):
It's a war that never should have happened. It did happen because of incompetent people.
Terry Moran (27:25):
Last question on this -
President Donald Trump (27:26):
But it never should have happened.
Terry Moran (27:27):
If there there's no peace deal, will the U.S. cut off military aid to Ukraine?
President Donald Trump (27:30):
I don't want to tell you that. I'm not going to tell you whether or not I would or not.
Terry Moran (27:33):
That sounds -
President Donald Trump (27:33):
I want to leave that as a big fat secret because I don't want to ruin a negotiation, but -
Terry Moran (27:38):
I'd be worried if I were Ukraine.
President Donald Trump (27:39):
I will tell you, I was not happy when I saw Putin shooting missiles into a few towns and cities and that was not something that I liked seeing and I thought it was inappropriate, but I think the whole war is inappropriate.
Terry Moran (27:53):
Okay.
President Donald Trump (27:53):
Again, it's a war that shouldn't have happened. This war is a war that if the election weren't rigged. And it was totally rigged, the 2020 election, if it weren't rigged, you wouldn't have that. You wouldn't have had the embarrassment of Afghanistan.
Terry Moran (28:05):
Okay. Got it.
President Donald Trump (28:06):
You wouldn't have October 7th with Israel.
Terry Moran (28:09):
Got it.
President Donald Trump (28:09):
You wouldn't have had any of the problems that you have right now.
Terry Moran (28:12):
Thank you. I want to ask one question -
President Donald Trump (28:12):
And you wouldn't have had inflation either.
Terry Moran (28:14):
All right. I want to ask one question about Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth. There's a lot of turmoil at the Pentagon right now. There's the Signal chat with his wife on it where he's discussing that attack in Yemen. There's another Signal chat discussing the attack on Yemen. There's a reporter accidentally involved. You said the other day that you had a talk with the Secretary. Did you take him to the woodshed?
President Donald Trump (28:36):
I had a talk with him and whatever I said, I probably wouldn't be inclined to tell you, but we had a good talk. He's a talented guy. He's young, he's smart, highly educated, and I think he's going to be a very good Defense, hopefully a great Defense Secretary, but he'll be a very good Defense Secretary. Maybe great.
Terry Moran (28:56):
You have a hundred percent confidence in Peter Hegseth.
President Donald Trump (28:58):
I don't have a hundred percent confidence in anything, okay? Anything. Do I have a hundred percent? It's a stupid question. Look -
Terry Moran (29:07):
It's a pretty important position.
President Donald Trump (29:08):
I have - No, no, no. You don't have a hundred percent. Only a liar would say "I have a hundred percent confidence." I don't have a hundred percent confidence that we're going to finish this interview.
Terry Moran (29:17):
We will.
President Donald Trump (29:19):
Let's go.
Announcer (29:20):
Coming up. President Trump on Elon Musk and DOGE.
Terry Moran (29:24):
Did DOGE go too far, too fast, too recklessly?
Announcer (29:30):
President Trump: the First 100 Days continues.
Terry Moran (29:36):
Elon Musk and DOGE. Everyone knows that there's wasteful government spending, it's really important, but the cuts have had some serious consequences. There have been cuts to foreign aid programs that save lives and keep people alive overseas. There's been research at the National Institutes of Health on cancer, on Alzheimer's, that has had to be stopped, and the question I think people have is did DOGE go too far, too fast, too recklessly?
President Donald Trump (30:05):
No. I think DOGE has been, look, saved $150 billion. Billion. We saved, that's a lot of money. There's also a lot of things right now under investigation, which is going to increase that amount by a lot. That's a tremendous amount of money. There were some things where when I heard about them, I put them back, as you know. There are things that I'm considering right now putting back, but overall we've saved hundreds of billions of dollars -
Terry Moran (30:32):
Well, the original promise was 2 trillion, went to 1 trillion, now to 150 billion and heading south.
President Donald Trump (30:36):
Well, I don't know, you don't know what it's going to be because we have things that are at a very high level that are being looked at right now. We also found tremendous waste, fraud, and abuse, as you know. We found a lot of fraud. There was a lot of fraud, fraudulent things were taking place and we ended that and those people are going to be suffering because of it.
Terry Moran (30:54):
Just a legal note, fraud is a crime. There have been no referrals to the Justice Department on any of this.
President Donald Trump (30:58):
Well, you don't know that, do you? How do you know that?
Terry Moran (31:03):
Have there been referrals to the -
President Donald Trump (31:04):
How do you know that?
Terry Moran (31:04):
Are there criminal referrals?
President Donald Trump (31:05):
Why, how would you know that there were no referrals? I think there were referrals.
Terry Moran (31:08):
There's, they generally - All right.
President Donald Trump (31:08):
Okay.
Terry Moran (31:09):
There's been no investigation from the Justice Department?
President Donald Trump (31:12):
How do you know that?
Terry Moran (31:13):
I'm asking you, sir.
President Donald Trump (31:14):
No, you're not asking me. You made a statement. You're not asking me.
Terry Moran (31:16):
Now I'm asking you.
President Donald Trump (31:17):
There was a statement that you made. There have been -
Terry Moran (31:19):
Now I'm asking you.
President Donald Trump (31:20):
Have there been? Yes, there have.
Terry Moran (31:22):
So there have been referrals for fraud from the work of DOGE?
President Donald Trump (31:26):
Of course there have been. Take a look at some of these things that took place.
Terry Moran (31:28):
All right. All right. All right.
President Donald Trump (31:28):
Billions of dollars, we gave it to people for no reason whatsoever.
Terry Moran (31:31):
Okay.
President Donald Trump (31:31):
Of course, there have been.
Terry Moran (31:32):
I want to bring up what is truly one of, to a lot of people, one of the biggest achievements of your first term. That is Operation Warp Speed. You got that COVID vaccine up and going -
President Donald Trump (31:43):
That's right.
Terry Moran (31:44):
- and distributed and a lot of people took it and a lot of people feel their lives have been saved by it. Now we have this measles outbreak, biggest in a decade in Texas, and it's because people aren't getting their children vaccinated. Do you recommend to parents that they get their children vaccinated for measles?
President Donald Trump (32:02):
Well, I recommend the Governors to make the decisions. You have a very talented Governor of Texas and he's making decisions, and those decisions are going to be made rapidly. This is a very much different thing than COVID in terms of rapidity and speed and other things. Measles have been with us a long time, and I'm not saying good, bad, or indifferent, I'm just saying that the Governors are making the decision. It's a federalist decision.
Terry Moran (32:27):
You - Sir, you - the President is our leader in so many ways and your voice counts so much and you can't tell Moms and Dads it's a good thing to get a measles vaccine?
President Donald Trump (32:38):
Oh, sure. Do I recommend it?
Terry Moran (32:39):
Yes.
President Donald Trump (32:39):
Yes, I do. I recommend it.
Terry Moran (32:40):
Okay.
President Donald Trump (32:41):
Yeah.
Terry Moran (32:41):
Got it. That was my question.
President Donald Trump (32:42):
Do I mandate it? No.
Terry Moran (32:42):
No, I didn't ask -
President Donald Trump (32:43):
But I do recommend it. Yes.
Terry Moran (32:45):
Good. Do you think your -
President Donald Trump (32:46):
And I have recommended it.
Terry Moran (32:47):
Do you think the Secretary of Health and Human Services, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who has a history of, at the very least, vaccine skepticism, do you think Kennedy recommends the measles vaccines?
President Donald Trump (32:57):
He did. He did. He recommended it. Yeah, he did.
Terry Moran (32:59):
Are
President Donald Trump (33:00):
And [inaudible 00:33:00].
Terry Moran (33:00):
He was satisfied with his responses.
President Donald Trump (33:03):
He recommended that they go out and get the vaccine.
Terry Moran (33:06):
Okay.
Reporter (33:07):
Still ahead.
Terry Moran (33:08):
I'm asking the justification for going after people you don't like.
Reporter (33:14):
President Trump, The First 100 Days, continues.
Terry Moran (33:21):
I want to talk a little bit about presidential power. The powers that you have in the presidency, temporarily that the American people have given you. You've revoked a lot of people's security clearances. You've revoked people's security details, who are still threatened with death threats. You've gone after law firms because they've employed people you don't like, or they have represented people you don't like.
President Donald Trump (33:47):
Well, they obviously agreed because they paid me a lot of money.
Terry Moran (33:50):
Well, the reason they agreed is because you were threatening to destroy their business with your executive order. That said, you can't represent clients for the federal government. That's their bread and butter.
President Donald Trump (34:00):
These are big boys. These are the biggest, most powerful lawyers. These are not people-
Terry Moran (34:05):
You got a lot of [inaudible 00:34:05].
President Donald Trump (34:05):
… that are easily intimidated.
Terry Moran (34:06):
… as president, you got all the cards.
President Donald Trump (34:07):
They paid hundreds of millions of dollars because, I guess, they probably felt they did something wrong.
Terry Moran (34:14):
It was for survival, Sir.
President Donald Trump (34:16):
No, it isn't.
Terry Moran (34:16):
You are crushing their business.
President Donald Trump (34:18):
These firms are very powerful firms and there's 15 of them. And these are firms that probably… Look, you have to ask them. In fact, this is a separate story. You have to ask them, "Why did you all pay Trump hundreds of millions of dollars in services, et cetera. Why did you do that?" I don't know. [inaudible 00:34:40].
Terry Moran (34:39):
You don't think-
President Donald Trump (34:40):
In fact, we have a claws and they think that while we admit no wrongdoing, but it's like one of those things. And now I'm friendly with those firms, but it's… These are the most powerful firms in the world and they just signed whatever I put in front of them. I've never seen anything like it. I'm actually surprised myself in a certain way, but they obviously felt they probably did something wrong, I guess, that's why they signed.
Terry Moran (35:07):
I guess the question out of that is the concern that people have. Are you using your powers as president to get personal revenge?
President Donald Trump (35:15):
No. I'll tell you what you're really not asking and you should be asking. There has never been a president in this country, in the history that was persecuted, like I was persecuted by really crooked people, dishonest, horrible people. And it's been proven. So when you say, I'm treating people rough, I'm not treating people rough. I was treated worse than any president in the history of our country. And people figured, "Well, maybe that's it. Finally we got… He's leaving town. There goes the helicopter." And then I came back. And I came back because I have tremendous support. When you win an election like I wanted, and you will admit, I won all seven swing States. I won the popular vote. I won 700 of, let's see, 2,750 districts compared to 500 districts. That's why the map is all read. And those people feel that I was treated unfairly.
Terry Moran (36:18):
But does that give you the right to go after your political opponents with the powers of this office?
President Donald Trump (36:22):
I don't know. I'm going after… All I'm doing… Hey, Biden did something to me and I did something to Biden, and you know why I did it? Because he's grossly incompetent. That's not a man that should be allowed to be looking at things that are very confidential.
Terry Moran (36:36):
But what about those in 71 people you [inaudible 00:36:38] ?
President Donald Trump (36:38):
He's a man that used an auto pen to sign very important documents. Now, who really is… Do you think he knew that they were using an auto pen? I mean he used an auto pen to sign very, very important documents. So those are really the questions you should be asking. What do you think of the auto pen? Who wielded the auto pen? Because whoever that person was, think of it. Whoever the person that wielded the auto pen, he was really the president of the United States. Because I don't think-
Terry Moran (37:09):
You are the president.
President Donald Trump (37:10):
… I don't think that Biden knew anything about it.
Terry Moran (37:12):
Fair enough. But you are the president now and I'm asking the justification for going after people you don't like.
President Donald Trump (37:20):
No, no.
Terry Moran (37:21):
That is it.
President Donald Trump (37:21):
People that I think are dishonest. It's not that I don't… I don't even know most of them. They're people that I think that they [inaudible 00:37:26].
Terry Moran (37:26):
These people makes you angry.
President Donald Trump (37:28):
It's not anger. These are people that I think are very dishonest. I don't think they're worthy of being able to go into top secret information. I think that's fine. And Biden did that with many of our people. But when you look at it, these are people that I don't think are worthy of. That's my decision. It's not a question of anger.
Terry Moran (37:48):
Okay. I understand you just had a phone call with a new Canadian premier, and they just had this election.
President Donald Trump (37:56):
Yeah.
Terry Moran (37:56):
You were big issue in it. And Canadians, many of them are really angry, furious about your talk about we're going to take over. Canada's going to become the 51st State.
President Donald Trump (38:07):
Yeah. That's [inaudible 00:38:07].
Terry Moran (38:07):
And it kind of is of a piece. A lot of travel is down into the United States from around the world.
President Donald Trump (38:13):
We are doing great.
Terry Moran (38:14):
It feels like there's been reputational damage.
President Donald Trump (38:18):
The country's doing great. Prices are down.
Terry Moran (38:19):
Not the tourism.
President Donald Trump (38:19):
Gasoline is down. Energy's down. Tourism is going to be way up when you see the numbers. The tourism is way up.
Terry Moran (38:26):
Not now.
President Donald Trump (38:26):
Now Canada… Oh, sure. Tourism is doing very well. We're doing very well. We're doing very well. Where do you see the real numbers come out in about… In six months from now, when you do see the numbers, think of it very good.
Terry Moran (38:38):
I'm going to ask you, if I may, do you think the reputation of the United States has gone down under your presence?
President Donald Trump (38:45):
No. I think it's gone way up. And I think we're a respected country. Again, we were laughed at all over the world. We had a president that couldn't walk up a flight of stairs, couldn't walk down a flight of stairs, couldn't walk across the stage without falling. We had a president that was grossly incompetent. You knew it. I knew it, and everybody knew it. But you guys didn't want to write it because you're fake news.
Terry Moran (39:06):
All right. Thank you.
President Donald Trump (39:07):
And by the way, ABC is one of the worst. I have to be honest with you.
Terry Moran (39:10):
Okay. Thank you for the opinion. But more importantly, thank you for having us here. I have one more question. It's a big one. It's a question that you know a lot of people have out there. What do you say to people who are concerned you are taking, seizing too much power, and becoming an authoritarian president like we haven't had before?
President Donald Trump (39:29):
No. I would hate them to think that. I'm doing one thing. I'm making America great again. We have a country that was failing. We have a country that was laughed at all over the world. We had a leader that was grossly incompetent. He should have never been there. The election was rigged. He should have never been there. Our country suffered greatly and now our country's coming back, like nobody can believe. I have editorials just today where they're saying they've never seen anything like it. They love it. Our country's coming back and we're respected again.
Terry Moran (39:59):
Mr. President, thank you.
President Donald Trump (40:00):
Thank you, Terry, very much.
Terry Moran (40:03):
Once again, we want to thank President Trump for inviting us to the White House, 100 days into his second term. I'm Terry Moran. From all of us at ABC News, thank you for watching, and good night.
