Judge (00:09):
Back on record. This is going to be C377407. We are now into defense case. Defense has a couple witnesses to get through. State has some rebuttal witnesses on deck in case they decide they want to call them. Anything we need to address outside the presence?
Mr. DiGiacomo (00:27):
No, Your Honor.
Mr. Sanft (00:28):
No, Your Honor.
Judge (00:29):
Okay. Let's bring the jury in.
Mr. Sanft (00:51):
Remind me to give Adam the flash drives from the last [inaudible 00:00:57] days.
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:00):
That'd be a good idea.
Mr. Sanft (01:00):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
[inaudible 00:01:12].
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Stand for the jury.
Judge (01:43):
Do the parties stipulate to the presence of the jury?
Mr. Sanft (01:46):
Yes, Your Honor.
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:46):
Yes, Your Honor.
Judge (01:49):
You may be seated.
(01:49)
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. We are now into the defense case-in-chief. Mr. Sanft, who will be your first witness?
Mr. Sanft (01:57):
Your Honor, at this time I'd like to call Stan Hyt to the stand.
Judge (02:37):
Okay.
(02:37)
You do solemnly swear the testimony you're about to give in this action shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Stan Hyt (02:42):
Yes.
Judge (02:50):
You may be seated.
(02:50)
May I please have you state and spell your first and last name for the record?
Stan Hyt (02:53):
Stan Hyt, H-Y-T.
Judge (02:57):
Thank you, sir. Whenever you're ready, Mr. Sanft, you may proceed.
Mr. Sanft (03:00):
Sir, I'm turning your attention back to the year of 1996.
Stan Hyt (03:05):
Yes, sir.
Mr. Sanft (03:05):
How were you employed?
Stan Hyt (03:07):
I was with the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department. I was an officer working overtime on that date.
Mr. Sanft (03:13):
Okay. And when you say you were working overtime, how does that work exactly? Explain to the jury.
Stan Hyt (03:18):
When there's certain special events, they ask officers to sign and volunteer to work overtime assignments. They pay time and a half.
Mr. Sanft (03:29):
And do you know what the reason was for the need for additional officers on this particular night?
Stan Hyt (03:33):
It was a night that Mike Tyson was fighting. It was a collective of people getting together for partying. They wanted to keep the peace, basically, keep things civil.
Mr. Sanft (03:46):
Right. And with regards to those types of events back in the day when we had boxing as our main feature, there's a couple of us in the audience that probably is unfamiliar with how Las Vegas was. Can you describe for us a little bit about the just overall amount of people coming to Las Vegas for something like a fight?
Stan Hyt (04:04):
Well, Mike Tyson was a big name. Obviously, I'm sure most of you all know him. He was making like $30 million a fight. He was winning his fights within a minute and a half, two minutes, and I think that particular night he did also. He won one of his fights got paid big and they were ready to party.
Mr. Sanft (04:22):
Now, and just to be fair, your role was not to deal with the Mike Tyson fight?
Stan Hyt (04:28):
No, it was Suge Knight-
Mr. Sanft (04:30):
Suge Knight
Stan Hyt (04:31):
... Event. Yeah.
Mr. Sanft (04:32):
So you were, and just explain a little bit for the jury, what were your role that night? What were you supposed to be doing?
Stan Hyt (04:40):
Basically just keep the peace, make sure there was no fights, no shootings, nobody get killed type thing.
Mr. Sanft (04:47):
Okay.
Stan Hyt (04:47):
That was basically our...
Mr. Sanft (04:49):
And when you say you were there to make sure to keep the peace, where exactly were you stationed?
Stan Hyt (04:54):
At Suge Knight's residence. There were several of us hired to do this assignment.
Mr. Sanft (05:00):
I'm now going to show you what's been marked and admitted.
Mr. DiGiacomo (05:05):
Yeah. Well, admitted by stipulation, Judge.
Judge (05:07):
Okay.
Mr. Sanft (05:07):
By stipulation, looks like defense BBB, defense AAA, and defense YY. May I approach, Your Honor?
Judge (05:15):
Okay. Those may be admitted.
Mr. Sanft (05:20):
Thank you.
(05:20)
Just take a look at these and tell me if you recognize them.
Stan Hyt (05:21):
Yes, that's the area that we were assigned, right-
Mr. Sanft (05:22):
[inaudible 00:05:23].
Stan Hyt (05:23):
Okay. Yeah.
Mr. Sanft (05:25):
And then just look at this one as well.
Stan Hyt (05:30):
It's the same one. And that's an extended view of it. Yeah.
Mr. Sanft (05:34):
Okay.
(05:34)
May I approach, Your Honor?
Judge (05:34):
You may.
Mr. Sanft (05:41):
Showing you what's been marked as defense Exhibit YY. Can you explain to the jury what this image is here?
Stan Hyt (05:52):
This is a neighborhood involved. The green area, the park area up above would be-
Mr. Sanft (05:59):
So what you can do, sir, because we don't have a way for you to do that, first and foremost, is this an overall view of the Las Vegas Strip, looks like an airport and a few other things?
Stan Hyt (06:10):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:10):
Okay. You could actually step down off of there if you want and just point to an area that we're talking about. But before you do that, I'm going to show you what's been marked admitted already as defense Exhibit AAA. Do you recognize this photograph?
Stan Hyt (06:26):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (06:27):
Okay. And can you explain to the jury what this photograph is of?
Stan Hyt (06:31):
That's the area of the, I think, it's Sierra Rancho Estates where Suge Knight lived.
Mr. Sanft (06:38):
Okay. So, up over here, just for the jury's edification, what would this be?
Stan Hyt (06:42):
That's just a desert area.
Mr. Sanft (06:44):
Okay. Are you sure that's not the airport?
Stan Hyt (06:46):
Is it? I don't see any runways, but I'm going to have to take your word on that one.
Mr. Sanft (06:53):
That's fine.
Stan Hyt (06:53):
Okay.
Mr. Sanft (06:54):
Down over here, do you recognize what this is here?
Stan Hyt (06:57):
It's a golf area. Uh-oh.
Mr. Sanft (06:59):
You can get a little closer if you want to that screen if it helps you with your vision.
Stan Hyt (07:06):
You know this is 20 years ago and I'm sorry-
Mr. Sanft (07:08):
I know. That's all right. It's almost 30 actually.
Stan Hyt (07:10):
Yeah, basically it's just Sunset Park whole, that's all.
Mr. Sanft (07:13):
All right. If you could just help us out real quick and just point to the general area in which you were assigned that particular night.
Stan Hyt (07:19):
Okay. I believe it was... I can't with any certainty. I'm sorry.
Mr. Sanft (07:29):
That's okay. So, what we're looking at here-
Stan Hyt (07:32):
I know it was adjacent to the park. I just don't... I'm not getting the... It's been too long for me.
Mr. Sanft (07:39):
Okay. You can probably just sit down for that. Don't worry about that.
Stan Hyt (07:41):
Sorry about that.
Mr. Sanft (07:42):
That's all right, it's been 30 years. Now let me ask you this though. Fair enough to say as a police officer, if you are called to testify, God forbid, 30 years after an event occurs, what would be the material you would use to help refresh your recollection?
Stan Hyt (07:57):
My officer's report at the time.
Mr. Sanft (07:58):
Right. And with regards to these officer's reports, for instance, a critical piece of your tool set as a police officer?
Stan Hyt (08:06):
Very critical.
Mr. Sanft (08:07):
So, like in this case there, you don't remember the 30 years later or certain things, yes?
Stan Hyt (08:11):
Right.
Mr. Sanft (08:11):
Okay.
Stan Hyt (08:12):
I've really never patrolled that area. That was just an assignment for that one night for me.
Mr. Sanft (08:16):
Sure.
Stan Hyt (08:17):
I've always been in the northwest. So-
Mr. Sanft (08:20):
No worries.
Stan Hyt (08:20):
... I wish I could have identified Suge Knight's residence better.
Mr. Sanft (08:23):
Now in this particular regard, I'm going to turn your attention to the Suge Knight residence. Can you tell us what you actually did at the residence?
Stan Hyt (08:31):
I was with another officer and we were at a gate, and we basically stayed at the gate while an entourage of vehicles came through. Approximately 15 vehicles came through and the last one being Suge Knight's.
Mr. Sanft (08:42):
Okay. Now with regards to the entourage of vehicles, where did they go?
Stan Hyt (08:48):
In through the gate, in to the... I never went in through the gate, so I didn't see where they went after they entered the gate.
Mr. Sanft (08:53):
Okay. And with regard to the vehicles that went in, did you recognize or give note of any of the vehicles that were in there?
Stan Hyt (09:00):
The last one was Suge Knight's. It was a cream-colored Cadillac.
Mr. Sanft (09:07):
Okay. And I'm sorry, I just want to make sure. The last one that you had was a cream-colored Cadillac?
Stan Hyt (09:13):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (09:14):
And why do you remember that vehicle?
Stan Hyt (09:17):
Just pointed out to me at the time. It was occupied by two Black males.
Judge (09:24):
Okay.
Stan Hyt (09:24):
And I didn't know Suge Knight at the time. I was kind of interested in looking for Tyson at the time, and they just pointed that vehicle out to me as Suge Knight's.
Mr. Sanft (09:35):
Yeah. And fair to say though that sometime in the future you were asked to obviously write a report on that particular issue?
Stan Hyt (09:41):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (09:41):
That was your officer's report?
Stan Hyt (09:41):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (09:45):
And in that officer's report, did you include the mention of a cream-colored Cadillac with two Black male adults in it?
Stan Hyt (09:50):
I did.
Mr. Sanft (09:58):
Okay. Now, after your view of the Cadillacs going into the residence, how long after that did the shooting of Tupac Shakur occur?
Stan Hyt (10:07):
It was probably half an hour later that they came out, and it was probably 10 minutes later Mike Tyson actually entered. It was probably another 10 minutes after he came out again. And it was probably 10 minutes after that, that the shooting took place.
Mr. Sanft (10:24):
Okay. And just for the jury's edification, when you say Mike Tyson entered, meaning he came into the residence?
Stan Hyt (10:29):
He came in, but not with the entourage of the first 15. The first 15 vehicles went into the gate. They all came out again. Mike Tyson went in the gate. He came out. And then we left. And at that point, maybe it was approximately 10 o'clock, I think, the shooting took place.
Mr. Sanft (10:48):
Okay. Sir, I have no further questions of you. Thank you.
Stan Hyt (10:49):
Okay.
Judge (10:49):
Hang on. Hang on, Mr. Hyt. There might be cross.
Stan Hyt (10:49):
Oh yeah, okay.
Judge (10:58):
Mr. DiGiacomo, do you have any cross?
Mr. DiGiacomo (10:59):
Very little. Officer Hyt?
Stan Hyt (11:01):
Yes, sir.
Mr. DiGiacomo (11:02):
If you could explain to the ladies and gentlemen of the jury, when officers at the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department want to work overtime, they can sign up for special events, and then the police department assigned you where to go for that particular event?
Stan Hyt (11:16):
Yes.
Mr. DiGiacomo (11:17):
And usually that works by a business or a lawyer or something setting up with the sheriff or one of the sheriff's employees a special request for, "Hey, I want officers for this particular event."
Stan Hyt (11:29):
We have a special event... We had a special events section of the police department that businesses that would promote events would contact and they would ask how many... I'm sorry. They would ask how many officers they'd need, and officers would be called, and then we would show up at the assigned locations.
Mr. DiGiacomo (11:53):
And so, on this particular night, it was Metro that assigned you to this location in order to keep the peace for whatever reason?
Stan Hyt (12:00):
Yes.
Mr. DiGiacomo (12:02):
You indicated that you were mainly at the guard gate?
Stan Hyt (12:07):
Yes.
Mr. DiGiacomo (12:08):
And you saw a sequencing of events that occurred at the guard gate?
Stan Hyt (12:11):
Yes.
Mr. DiGiacomo (12:13):
At some point after the homicide, did somebody direct you to write your report?
Stan Hyt (12:20):
Yes.
Mr. DiGiacomo (12:20):
And during the course of that, did you... Well, first of all, who directed you?
Stan Hyt (12:25):
I believe it was my lieutenant at the time.
Mr. DiGiacomo (12:27):
Your lieutenant said, "Hey, we should document this."
Stan Hyt (12:29):
Yes.
Mr. DiGiacomo (12:31):
And one of the things you documented was not only that you were there, but that the guard gate security detail was called Allied Security and that they maintained a log of the vehicles that went in and out?
Stan Hyt (12:44):
I believe that's correct.
Mr. DiGiacomo (12:46):
Thank you very much. Nothing further.
Judge (12:48):
Anything further, Mr. Sanft?
Mr. Sanft (12:50):
Yes. Mr. Hyt, just one final thing. When you're doing this kind of work, it's for additional hours, right?
Stan Hyt (12:56):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (12:57):
What were you wearing on that particular night?
Stan Hyt (12:58):
Uniform.
Mr. Sanft (12:59):
And is that always the case?
Stan Hyt (13:01):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (13:01):
So, even if you're, say, not at Suge Knight's residence, but say at some other club area in the parking lot, you'd still be wearing your uniform?
Stan Hyt (13:09):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (13:10):
Okay. No further questions, Your Honor.
Stan Hyt (13:12):
There are different bureaus that can get assigned different things. I was uniformed, so I was always uniformed. There may be detectives or others that would respond differently. But, my assignments were... I was uniformed, so I was always in uniform.
Mr. Sanft (13:26):
Yes, sir. Thank you. I appreciate it.
Judge (13:28):
One second.
Stan Hyt (13:29):
Yep.
Judge (13:29):
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, any questions for this witness? We have some.
(14:12)
A couple questions from our jurors. Did you notice any damage or bullet holes on any of the cars that came through the gates at Suge Knight's residence, especially the white Cadillac?
Stan Hyt (14:20):
No, there was no damage on it.
Judge (14:23):
No damage. Were any of the crew members carrying guns?
Stan Hyt (14:29):
I didn't see any guns on any of the entourage people, no, because they were all in their cars. We all had guns.
Judge (14:34):
Okay, got it.
Stan Hyt (14:35):
Uniform.
Judge (14:36):
Got it. Did you see the cream-colored Cadillac leave?
Stan Hyt (14:39):
Yes. They all left.
Judge (14:43):
Okay. When was that?
Stan Hyt (14:48):
Close to 10 o'clock, I would say.
Judge (14:50):
Okay.
Stan Hyt (14:50):
Maybe 9:30-ish.
Judge (14:52):
Got it. Mr. Sanft, any further questions?
Mr. Sanft (14:57):
No, Your Honor. No.
Judge (14:58):
Okay. Thank you. Now you're free to go.
Stan Hyt (14:58):
Okay.
Judge (14:58):
Have a good day.
Stan Hyt (14:59):
You too.
Judge (15:04):
Thanks. Mr. Sanft, your next witness.
Mr. Sanft (15:06):
Thank you. Your Honor, we'd like to call Charles Mangrum, please, to the stand.
Judge (15:18):
Charles Mangrum. Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Charles Mangrum.
Mr. Sanft (15:18):
May I have the defense exhibits.
(15:18)
Thank you.
Judge (15:18):
[inaudible 00:16:34].
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Okay.
Judge (16:39):
You do solemnly swear the testimony you're about to give in this action shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Charlie Mangrum (16:45):
I do.
Judge (16:46):
You may be seated. May I please have you state and spell your first and last name for the record?
Charlie Mangrum (16:55):
Charlie Mangrum. C-H-A-R-L-I-E M-A-N-G-R-U-M.
Judge (17:02):
Thank you, sir. Whenever you're ready, Mr. Sanft, you may proceed.
Mr. Sanft (17:05):
Thank you, Your Honor. Mr. Mangrum, turning your attention back 30 years some now.
Charlie Mangrum (17:11):
Okay.
Mr. Sanft (17:13):
On the night of September 7th, 1996, what were you employed doing?
Charlie Mangrum (17:19):
I was assigned as an overtime officer in charge of three other police officers to monitor a party that was supposed to happen at Suge Knight's house located on Tomiyasu.
Mr. Sanft (17:35):
Okay. I'm going to show you here some maps. I just wanted to see if you can help identify where this is located. Your Honor, may I approach?
Judge (17:44):
Yeah, you may.
Mr. Sanft (17:46):
For the record, showing you what's been marked and admitted... This would be defense Exhibit CZ.
Judge (18:11):
You don't have that?
Speaker 3 (18:12):
[inaudible 00:18:14].
Judge (18:14):
That one's not admitted yet.
Mr. Sanft (18:16):
Oh, it had not. Let me just back up here. This is defense Exhibit YY, defense Exhibit AAA, and defense Exhibit BBB.
Charlie Mangrum (18:23):
Okay.
Mr. Sanft (18:23):
Just take a look at this one, and this one. [inaudible 00:18:29].
Mr. DiGiacomo (18:28):
[inaudible 00:18:41].
Judge (18:28):
Okay.
Mr. Sanft (18:28):
[inaudible 00:18:46].
Charlie Mangrum (18:28):
Okay.
Mr. Sanft (19:08):
Do you recognize those aerial photographs?
Charlie Mangrum (19:10):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (19:13):
Let me just go ahead and say that they've been admitted already by a stipulation between the parties. I'm going to just put this up on the screen for everyone for see, okay?
Charlie Mangrum (19:19):
Okay.
Mr. Sanft (19:22):
So, with regards to the first photograph here, which would be... I'll take it from you. Thank you, sir. The first aerial view here, this would be defense Exhibit YY. Do you recognize this?
Judge (19:37):
I told them it wasn't in it.
Charlie Mangrum (19:38):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (19:39):
Now, just a general idea though, what is this a image of?
Charlie Mangrum (19:45):
It's an aerial view of the gated community where Suge Knight lives.
Mr. Sanft (19:51):
Okay.
Charlie Mangrum (19:51):
Off Tomiyasu.
Mr. Sanft (19:54):
All right. And just because of the fact that we're looking at an overall aerial view, it looks like it's Las Vegas.
Charlie Mangrum (20:00):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (20:00):
Can you step down and just point to the jury where on this photograph-
Mr. Sanft (20:00):
Can you step down and just point to the jury where on this photograph is the location of Suge Knight's house?
Charlie Mangrum (20:06):
On this?
Mr. Sanft (20:07):
Yeah, you can just step down. Thank you, sir.
Charlie Mangrum (20:19):
This was a gate and Suge Knight's house was just about next door to the gate.
Mr. Sanft (20:24):
Okay. So just for our edification though, it looks like there is a... Would that be an airport that's right there to the left?
Charlie Mangrum (20:32):
Yes, [inaudible 00:20:33] airport.
Mr. Sanft (20:34):
Okay. And the major cross streets that would be the area which we're talking about here, would that be what, Sunset and Eastern?
Charlie Mangrum (20:43):
Tommy Asu runs the Sunset and Eastern is to this direction.
Mr. Sanft (20:51):
Okay. Now I'm going to show you now what's [inaudible 00:20:52] admitted as Defense Exhibit AAA. Is this a closer image of the area that we're talking about?
Charlie Mangrum (21:01):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (21:02):
All right. Can you point to the jury where that area is?
Charlie Mangrum (21:08):
That's Sunset Park, so this would be... This is Suge Knight's area here, but that should be Tommy Asu.
Mr. Sanft (21:23):
Okay. And then just one final image here. I'm showing you what's been admitted to by stipulation, ZZ. Can you describe or tell the jury what we're looking at here?
Judge (21:43):
Mr. Smith, this isn't admitted.
Charlie Mangrum (21:43):
This would be Tommy Asu.
Mr. Sanft (21:43):
I'm sorry. Sir [inaudible 00:21:44].
Mr. DiGiacomo (21:45):
I apologize. Mr. Samson and I stipulated to all of these maps. I think maybe he didn't make the best record about that. But all of the maps that he has, we agreed to by stipulation.
Judge (21:56):
Okay. It's admitted via stipulation. Go ahead.
Mr. Sanft (21:58):
Thank you. And that's ZZ. Go ahead, sir.
Charlie Mangrum (22:03):
Yes, this would be Tommy Asu and Suge Knight's house would've been just on the north of the main gate that we were working that night.
Mr. Sanft (22:16):
Okay. And that's all we need for you for that purpose. Now, in terms of what your job was that night, what were you assigned to do?
Charlie Mangrum (22:25):
Apparently there had been other parties following Mike Tyson fights at Suge's house, and the HOA or association had some issues with the number of people and the number of uninvited guests that showed up and they wanted to have some police officers there to help keep the peace.
Mr. Sanft (22:49):
All right. And can you tell us what you were wearing on that particular night [inaudible 00:22:54]?
Charlie Mangrum (22:54):
I was wearing a uniform, police uniform.
Mr. Sanft (22:56):
And when you were there, were you able to notice any of the traffic of vehicles going in and out of the residence area?
Charlie Mangrum (23:03):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (23:05):
Can you describe for us any of the vehicles that had either gone in or out of the resident area?
Charlie Mangrum (23:11):
Yes. At approximately about 10:10, 10:15, Suge Knight, driving a BMW, blue BMW with Tupac in the passenger seat, came to the gate and followed by, I believe, probably five or six other vehicles in line, which I described in my OR report.
Mr. Sanft (23:41):
Okay. Now, just to make sure I'm clear with the OR report, you don't have to do that right now, but with regards to your OR report, is that something that you do as a police officer is write a report?
Charlie Mangrum (23:54):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (23:54):
Now in this case, obviously you're just working, you're just helping with potentially a party that takes place. There's no party that takes place, right?
Charlie Mangrum (24:02):
No.
Mr. Sanft (24:04):
Were you asked by anyone to write a officer's report after your time working on this particular night?
Charlie Mangrum (24:10):
Yes, I was. I don't recall who that was though.
Mr. Sanft (24:14):
That's fine. And so the officer's report you wrote, fair to say that that's something that you have done throughout your career as a police officer?
Charlie Mangrum (24:21):
Absolutely.
Mr. Sanft (24:22):
And what's the reason for an officer's report?
Charlie Mangrum (24:24):
Documentation, so that in the future you have something to go on if need be.
Mr. Sanft (24:31):
Now with regards to your recollection for that night, what were the other vehicles that you remember entering into the residence area of Suge Knight and leaving the area of Suge Knight's residence?
Charlie Mangrum (24:44):
Well, Suge and Tupac were there approximately 30 minutes, and they exited back out followed by a cream-colored Cadillac, a compact vehicle that was occupied by four females, and a few other vehicles that I had referred to my officer's report on. But later on, following the time that Tupac and Suge left, Mike Tyson showed up as a passenger in a Bentley, followed by another Bentley that I believe was Don King's son. And we informed them that Suge Knight had told us that the party was no longer going to happen.
Mr. Sanft (25:45):
I see.
Charlie Mangrum (25:46):
And then they turned around and left.
Mr. Sanft (25:48):
I see. And then your report was written at how long, after the event that occurred that you're telling us did you write your report?
Charlie Mangrum (25:56):
It's dated the 19th of that month.
Mr. Sanft (26:01):
All right. Thank you, sir. I have no further questions.
Judge (26:08):
Mr. [inaudible 00:26:08]. You may cross.
Mr. DiGiacomo (26:11):
Lieutenant, you wrote this report at the direction of homicide?
Charlie Mangrum (26:19):
I'm not sure. It might have been the PIO's office or someone investigating the case.
Mr. DiGiacomo (26:24):
On the second page of your report, it shows this was copied to Detective Brent Becker, P number 2838/homicide. So this would've been something that you would've sent to homicide to let them know this information?
Charlie Mangrum (26:40):
Yes.
Mr. DiGiacomo (26:40):
Okay. Now, in looking at your report, you indicate that, would you agree with me that at 21:30 hours, it's you and Officer Quick that are actually at the residence of Mr. Knight talking to somebody there and Mr. Knight's not home?
Charlie Mangrum (26:58):
No.
Mr. DiGiacomo (26:59):
All right. Then you say at 22:00 hours, Officer Schmidt and [inaudible 00:27:06] were at the guard gate?
Charlie Mangrum (27:07):
Yes.
Mr. DiGiacomo (27:07):
When the cars came in?
Charlie Mangrum (27:10):
When they started to come in, yes.
Mr. DiGiacomo (27:11):
And then at 22:15 hours or 22:20 hours is when you arrive at the gate?
Charlie Mangrum (27:22):
Yes. Approximately, yes.
Mr. DiGiacomo (27:24):
And at 22:30 hours is where Suge Knight driving a black BMW with Tupac Shakur in the driver's seat followed by the rest of the caravan leave the residence?
Charlie Mangrum (27:34):
Yes.
Mr. DiGiacomo (27:36):
Now, what you received today, I believe you have there is a two-page report and mine has a bunch of attachments to it, so I just want to show you.
Charlie Mangrum (27:51):
Two-page report? No.
Mr. DiGiacomo (27:52):
So that appears to be your two-page report.
Charlie Mangrum (27:55):
That's the officer's report.
Mr. DiGiacomo (27:56):
There you go, look at the front. Is that your officer's report?
Charlie Mangrum (27:56):
Yes.
Mr. DiGiacomo (27:59):
Okay. And then behind it has basically all the various special assignments going on that night in the valley. You need your glasses to look at that.
Charlie Mangrum (28:15):
Yeah, I hadn't seen this.
Mr. DiGiacomo (28:15):
Okay. And that's just, Metro kept record of all the various special events that evening and who was assigned where in case we need to look into that later.
Charlie Mangrum (28:22):
Correct. Yeah.
Mr. DiGiacomo (28:24):
And then after that, there appears to be the gate log with the plate numbers of all the vehicles that were going in and out of that particular gate.
Charlie Mangrum (28:34):
Okay.
Mr. DiGiacomo (28:34):
Does that look accurate?
Charlie Mangrum (28:36):
I haven't seen it. I've never seen it.
Mr. DiGiacomo (28:38):
By looking at that, does this suggest to you that Metro Homicide in 1996 followed this lead and followed up on it?
Charlie Mangrum (28:45):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (28:46):
Objection, Your Honor, [inaudible 00:28:48] leading.
Judge (28:46):
Sustained.
Mr. DiGiacomo (28:49):
It's a cross-examination.
Judge (28:50):
Oh yeah, you're on cross.
Mr. DiGiacomo (28:52):
I'm on cross.
Mr. Sanft (28:52):
Sorry, this is weird.
Judge (28:54):
Overruled.
Mr. DiGiacomo (28:56):
Thank you. I have nothing. Oh, and when that white Cadillac left that guard gate, it was occupied by two Black males as well?
Charlie Mangrum (29:12):
Yes.
Mr. DiGiacomo (29:12):
Thank you. Nothing further.
Judge (29:16):
Mr. Sanft, anything further on your redirect?
Mr. Sanft (29:19):
Yes, Your Honor. Just with regard to the last question that was asked by Mr. DiGiacomo, sir, he says that it was a white Cadillac. It was either white or cream, as far as you know?
Charlie Mangrum (29:29):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (29:29):
Is that correct?
Charlie Mangrum (29:30):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (29:30):
That's what you wrote in your report?
Charlie Mangrum (29:31):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (29:32):
Thank you. No further questions.
Judge (29:32):
All right. Anything further, Mr. DiGiacomo?
Mr. DiGiacomo (29:32):
No.
Judge (29:32):
On cross? All right. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, any questions for this witness? We may have one. A question from one of our jurors. Could you say what model of caddy?
Charlie Mangrum (30:49):
I don't recall that.
Judge (30:49):
Okay. Anything further, Mr. Sanft?
Mr. Sanft (30:59):
No, Your Honor.
Judge (30:59):
Mr. DiGiacomo?
Mr. DiGiacomo (30:59):
No, Your Honor.
Judge (30:59):
Okay. Thank you, sir. You are free to go.
Charlie Mangrum (31:00):
Thank you.
Mr. Sanft (31:06):
Your Honor, the defense would like to call Dan Long to the stand.
Judge (31:09):
Okay. You do solemnly swear the testimony you're about to give in this action shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Dan Long (31:55):
I do.
Judge (31:55):
You may be seated. May I please have you state and spell your first and last name for the record?
Dan Long (32:03):
Dan Long, D-A-N L-O-N-G.
Judge (32:07):
Thank you, sir. Whenever you're ready, Mr. Sanft.
Mr. Sanft (32:11):
Thank you, Your Honor. Mr. Long, taking your attention back 30 years to September of 1996, how were you employed?
Dan Long (32:18):
Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department.
Mr. Sanft (32:20):
And at the time, what was your assignment?
Dan Long (32:23):
I was a detective in gang crimes.
Mr. Sanft (32:25):
All right. Do you recall the night of September 7th, 1996?
Dan Long (32:33):
I do.
Mr. Sanft (32:34):
What were you doing at that particular time?
Dan Long (32:36):
I was on a gang enforcement team, and we had stopped a bunch of juvenile males about a block, more than a block, to the east and to the south. We had been requested to patrol that area because there had been some incidents and they wanted to know if these were gang members. We had stopped them. We were talking to them. They were not gang members, and then we heard a volley of gunshots.
Mr. Sanft (33:07):
Okay. And when you say to the east and south, where exactly to the east and south are we talking about?
Dan Long (33:14):
I'm sorry. Koval and Flamingo. We are one block to the east and we were on a side street to the south. That area doesn't exist anymore.
Mr. Sanft (33:24):
Okay. Showing you a map here, an aerial photograph, this is defense Exhibit YY. Do you recognize this map or this aerial photograph?
Dan Long (33:46):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (33:47):
Okay. And what is this of?
Dan Long (33:53):
It's Flamingo and Sandhill. I'm sorry. Flamingo and Koval is where the shooting occurs. The airport's right to the south. Carriage house is just to the south of where the shooting occurs. And if you zoom in, I could show you where we were.
Mr. Sanft (34:14):
Here's what we'll do. If you could just step out of your chair, just get out next to the screen. I'm going to get this a little closer for everyone to see so we can figure out where you were at. Does this help?
Dan Long (34:28):
All right. There's an area here that's been bulldozed. You can see where the streets and the alleys had been right here. There used to be an apartment complex right there. There was one alley, two streets, and the area command that had that area wanted us to check to see if these were gang members. We went in, we stopped some juvenile males. They were not gang members, they were just juvenile males. While we were standing there talking to these males, we heard about a volley of gunshots. We didn't want to talk to these males anymore, so we jumped in our vehicles and we moved to the shooting scene.
Mr. Sanft (35:12):
Okay. And what you're pointing at for the jury, just for the record, is the intersection of Koval and Flamingo?
Dan Long (35:20):
Correct.
Mr. Sanft (35:20):
Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that. Now, fair to say, of course, you're there conducting your business as a member of the gang unit?
Dan Long (35:28):
That's correct.
Mr. Sanft (35:29):
You weren't there for overflow or anything to do with special events for the fight?
Dan Long (35:35):
No.
Mr. Sanft (35:35):
Okay. Now, for some of us who weren't around during this time period, can you describe for us a little bit about the activity that was going on at the time in terms of the streets and people walking around when you heard the shots being fired?
Dan Long (35:49):
Oh, it was packed. It was extremely. There was people everywhere, people walking, traffic was fully backed up. To get into the intersection, we had to use... We were in unmarked cars, so we were in plain cars. We moved into the intersection using red lights and sirens. We moved across, people were waving at us and pointing. There was a vehicle there that became of interest to us. Some girls had been shot at. While we had gotten out to talk to them and find out what was going on, we had no idea this was attached to anything. One of the guys on my team, Dean O'Kelley, found some cartridge cases in the street, so we started moving our vehicles in the area to block off traffic so they wouldn't get run over and putting up yellow tape.
Mr. Sanft (36:47):
Now, once again, were you in charge of the investigation of either the shooting or the eventual homicide?
Dan Long (36:55):
No.
Mr. Sanft (36:56):
All right. So at the time in 2000 or 1996, you weren't anything other than your gang unit detective?
Dan Long (37:03):
Right. And at that time, we had found a shooting scene. We don't know what we have, so we're just securing the scene in case there are victims, and then we would find out what was going on.
Mr. Sanft (37:16):
At some point in the future though, as you progress in your career, did you ever at any point leave the gang unit?
Dan Long (37:25):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (37:25):
And what did you do after that?
Dan Long (37:28):
In 2000, I was invited to test to go into homicide. I then tested for homicide and went into homicide.
Mr. Sanft (37:36):
And what year was that?
Dan Long (37:37):
2000.
Mr. Sanft (37:38):
Now, during the time that you were in homicide, that would've been from 2000 to roughly when?
Dan Long (37:43):
I retired from the department in 2017.
Mr. Sanft (37:47):
So you spent 17 years in homicide?
Dan Long (37:50):
Yes, sir.
Mr. Sanft (37:51):
Okay. Now, during the time period that you were in homicide, were you ever assigned the case involving the Tupac murder?
Dan Long (37:57):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (38:02):
Okay. [inaudible 00:38:02]. I just want to make sure. You were given the assignment at some point?
Dan Long (38:05):
Yes, I was. 2004, my Sergeant Kevin Manning handed me the file and said I would follow up any further leads.
Mr. Sanft (38:16):
All right. And can you explain to us a little bit about how that works? You're a detective. The file had been with somebody else prior, Detective Becker?
Dan Long (38:24):
Yeah, Detective Becker and Detective Mike Franks.
Mr. Sanft (38:29):
Okay. And now you have the file?
Dan Long (38:29):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (38:29):
So what do you do as a detective when you're handed a file that's already been worked on?
Dan Long (38:33):
You read it. You read it. I went through the pictures. I then discussed it with my sergeant. I went down to California. There was a lot in that file, and I didn't know Compton very well. I didn't know Compton at all. So I went down, I had ridden in the gang unit with gang detectives, and I knew them still, so I called and said, "Can you take me around and show me these things?" So we drove around Compton, and they showed me houses where the Compton Crips lived. They showed me where Orlando Anderson died. They showed me a lot of different things. And Compton was very small, but it was very impacted with gangs.
Mr. Sanft (39:20):
Now, during this time period, can you describe for us a little bit about... Was there still an interest in the murder of Tupac at the time that you took over the case? Meaning, was there media attention, maybe not to the level it was in the beginning, but was there still issues with regards to access to the file and that kind of thing?
Dan Long (39:39):
Yes. Yes, there was. Now I know where you're going.
Mr. Sanft (39:43):
Yeah. And what I mean by that initially is that even in Metro, was there any concerns on your part about unauthorized access to the file?
Dan Long (39:51):
Not by me. I wasn't concerned, but my lieutenant had become concerned and wanted to sequester the file away from everybody else because there was a lot of people.
Dan Long (40:00):
... the file away from everybody else because there was a lot of people going in and looking. Very, very famous person.
Mr. Sanft (40:08):
And with regards to the going and looking, can you describe to the jury what type of activity we're talking about here in terms of going in and looking?
Dan Long (40:19):
I didn't do any investigation in this, but my lieutenant told me that people had been going in and being curious, looking at the file.
Mr. Sanft (40:30):
Did you at any point... Was there any measures that was taken to preserve the safety and security of that file?
Dan Long (40:38):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (40:38):
What were those measures?
Dan Long (40:40):
They locked down the file itself, which was the hard copy of the file. At that time, we were on a computer drive called the F drive, which turned out to be too small and they later moved it to another drive because homicide just kept growing. So they changed the way I did my reports. I would hand them in and they were secured.
Mr. Sanft (41:13):
Okay. Now we talked a little bit about reports. What reports are we talking about here?
Dan Long (41:21):
The one that popped into my mind, the very first one, there was a... Supposedly this was an anonymous tip that there was a Rollin' 60 apartment over on Reno that was slinging drugs and that the people that shot Tupac had driven up to this apartment and handed the gun off for his drugs. I then attempted to locate... Usually if gangs are going to rent an apartment, they're going to rent it in a girl's name. So I was looking... And I'm talking eight years after the fact, I'm talking about trying to find an apartment rented by a girl that has association with the Rollin' 60s. I never found it. So I couldn't track down the 60s that may have the gun that would be attached to the killing of Tupac.
Mr. Sanft (42:09):
I see. And during the time that you were performing your duties as the detective on this particular file, did you ever keep your own officer's reports?
Dan Long (42:19):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (42:20):
And just explain for us a little bit about your common course of how you would do that.
Dan Long (42:26):
An officer's report is like who, what, when, where, why. So you say that there was an anonymous tip... Let's just talk about this tip. Anonymous tip at this date, I did these phone calls, met with this apartment complex, and couldn't locate anybody that was attached to the Rollin' 60s in any fashion. So it literally would be an officer's report that's maybe a paragraph. There was another tip that the gun had been dropped from the shooting vehicle that went back to California that night and it was on the side of the road. Ridiculous. But eight years later we went out and we walked that section of the freeway, both sides, looking for a gun. We didn't find one. That officer's report was about a sentence. And those kind of things are the things that we were trying to run down.
Mr. Sanft (43:26):
All right. And so in terms of officer reports, fair to say that there would be a lot of officer reports of your efforts in this particular investigation?
Dan Long (43:35):
Those officer's reports don't exist anymore that I could find.
Mr. Sanft (43:39):
Okay. And why is that?
Dan Long (43:41):
From what I was told was when we moved from the F drive to the H drive, those reports had to be scanned and at some process they were lost.
Mr. Sanft (43:53):
So what we're relying on clearly, it would be your recollection of what you remember from that time period?
Dan Long (43:59):
Correct.
Mr. Sanft (44:00):
Okay. And once again, if you don't remember, you don't remember.
Dan Long (44:04):
Okay.
Mr. Sanft (44:05):
Okay. Now at some point though, you have an opportunity to interact with law enforcement officers in Compton or is it... No, I'm sorry. At that particular point it would've been the sheriff's department, LA Sheriff's.
Dan Long (44:21):
Yes. I usually went directly to LAPD, but yes, the sheriff's office also.
Mr. Sanft (44:25):
LAPD. Can you tell us a little bit about any interaction you might've had with them specifically about a firearm?
Dan Long (44:35):
You're talking about the '06?
Mr. Sanft (44:37):
Yes.
Dan Long (44:37):
Yeah. I received a phone call from the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department saying that there was a gun recovered by Compton PD in 1998, the yard of 1301 Sloan, which is inside the Compton area, the Compton Crips area, I should say. And they believed that this gun was possibly... It was supposedly buried in the backyard and it was turned over to the Compton Police Department. The Compton Police Department dissolved, and so the Sheriff's Department was starting to run all these guns through ATF and ballistics and they believed this may be the gun that we were looking for. They were fairly adamant that this was the gun that we were looking for that was the murder weapon of Tupac. I then made a drive to LA with my sergeant. We picked up the gun. They had it in a evidence box. I signed a receipt to them that they kept.
(45:48)
I then drove the gun back to Las Vegas, drove it directly to our ballistics lab, and I turned the gun over to Jim Krylo. I then filled out a request to have that ballistics tested against the gun that was used to kill Tupac. Before I managed to drive back to the office, I received a phone call and they told me it was not the gun. I told them that he wanted me to come back and impound it and put it into our evidence vault, I told him I'd come back in the morning and I would pick up the gun and I would take it back to LA because it may be of interest to LA in another crime.
Mr. Sanft (46:33):
Okay. And outside of that particular incident, were there any other instances where you found what potentially could be the gun in this situation and had it tested?
Dan Long (46:44):
Myself, no, but there were thousands of guns that were tested.
Mr. Sanft (46:51):
And as far as you know, as the responsible detective at that time, were any of those thousands of guns come back with a hit or a match to the spent cartridge casings that we found at the scene?
Dan Long (47:02):
No.
Mr. Sanft (47:03):
Now, in addition to that, at some point in the future, you travel to California again to conduct an interview?
Dan Long (47:12):
Yes, sir.
Mr. Sanft (47:13):
That would've been in 2009?
Dan Long (47:13):
Correct.
Mr. Sanft (47:14):
Okay. Can you tell us a little bit about who was there in that interview?
Dan Long (47:23):
Sure. Myself and my lieutenant, Lou Roberts, made a drive after I'd received a phone call saying that there's somebody that wanted to give information about Tupac and Tupac's murder. We then drove down on the morning of September 9th. They wanted us to meet them at the HIDTA office, which is at 1340 West 6th Street in LA, which is about six blocks from Plaza One. We met them there. I then met Detective Darren Dupree, and he told me that Duane Davis, also known as Keffe, was in the interview room. He had his attorney present whose name was Wayne Higgins, and we were going to go in and he was going to give me information. And he further explained that Keffe had got caught with a large amount of narcotics and was trying to work off those charges.
Mr. Sanft (48:31):
Now, sir, and just to cut you off at that part, I apologize. But with regards to that information, at some point you conducted an interview in that room with Mr. Davis?
Dan Long (48:42):
With Mr. Davis, with his attorney. My lieutenant didn't want to go in, so Darren Dupree agreed to go with me.
Mr. Sanft (48:50):
All right. And there was a recording. Did you record the meeting?
Dan Long (48:54):
I did.
Mr. Sanft (48:54):
Okay. And is that just standard operating procedure for what you do as a detective?
Dan Long (48:59):
Yes. I was told that they were going to record it also, but I wanted to record it myself, that way I have it in my hands.
Mr. Sanft (49:08):
Okay. And during the course of that meeting, you learned information, right?
Dan Long (49:14):
Yes, sir.
Mr. Sanft (49:14):
Now, can you tell us a little bit about the interaction here? Were you ever asked to leave the room?
Dan Long (49:19):
Yes, sir.
Mr. Sanft (49:21):
Can you tell us why you were asked to leave the room?
Dan Long (49:24):
Mr. Davis became very nervous. I was asking questions that he didn't feel comfortable with, which is to be expected, and he asked me to leave the room. He wanted to talk to his attorney and he wanted to talk to Detective Dupree. I then stepped out of the room for not very long, and then they asked me to come back in.
Mr. Sanft (49:50):
Was there ever a time that you left the room and was accompanied by Mr. Dupree and only had Mr. Higgins and Mr. Davis in the room by themselves?
Dan Long (50:00):
I don't recall that.
Mr. Sanft (50:01):
Okay. So every time you left, Mr. Dupree was in the room with Mr. Higgins and Mr. Davis?
Dan Long (50:06):
Yes, sir.
Mr. Sanft (50:11):
Now, at some point you were able to learn some information?
Dan Long (50:15):
From Mr. Davis?
Mr. Sanft (50:16):
Yes.
Dan Long (50:16):
Yes, sir.
Mr. Sanft (50:18):
When you came back, did you corroborate any of the information?
Dan Long (50:20):
I tried.
Mr. Sanft (50:22):
Okay. And what did you do? What efforts did you make?
Dan Long (50:26):
During the interview, Mr. Davis indicated first that Orlando Anderson, or Baby Lane, had been beat up at the MGM, which we all had video of. I think everybody on the planet has seen this video. He was complaining that his arm was either broken or out of socket. He first told me that they had gone back to California and had gone to the hospital in California, but he said they went to the hospital on Maryland Parkway, and the hospital on Maryland Parkway is Sunrise, and that he had gotten a sling for his arm. So I filled out a subpoena and I wanted to know if Orlando had signed in, was examined in any fashion. Now we're talking... This is 2009. We're talking about somebody coming into the emergency room in 1996. So I didn't find anything. They couldn't give me anything with Orlando's name on it.
(51:37)
We were looking into... There was a rented Cadillac rented in Compton by a friend of the gang. Her name was, or her daughter's name... there was a woman by the name of Harris, and first name could have been Teresa, it could have been Tessa. And again, we're talking multiple years later. But I called down trying to locate a Cadillac that was rented in 1996. They said it was a friend of the gang, so it's very possible that there was no paperwork on it, but we're going to try. I called multiple rent-a-car places because he couldn't remember which rent-a-car place it was, and I never found anything connected to that date or those dates around that for a four-door white Cadillac of any kind.
Mr. Sanft (52:41):
Now, in addition to that, sir, did you ever run at some point any names to determine, sort of help you out with the landscape of who's who and what's what? For instance, did you ever run a name by the name of Darnell Brim?
Dan Long (52:57):
Oh, you're talking about before the interview?
Mr. Sanft (52:58):
Yes.
Dan Long (53:00):
When I received the call that we were going to go down and do an interview, I ran everybody, everybody that was in the file, and the purpose of that being is if I'm in the middle of an interview and he mentions somebody, I might have information, this person's in jail, this person's dead, this person's in prison. Those could be very useful to me in the middle of an interview. When I go into the interview, I'm going to be acting very non-informed. I don't know anything. Please tell me. So he's like, "Okay, we were going after..." We're talking about Pac. "Okay. Who's Pac?" "Well, Tupac Shakur." Okay, so I'm going to do that through the entire interview, but if I have more names and more information, I at least know what he's talking about so I can direct him in the right direction to give me a full name or a full description, whatever it may be. So I ran quite a few people before I went down there.
Mr. Sanft (54:06):
Okay. So at some point you leave that interview and you come back to Las Vegas?
Dan Long (54:11):
Yes, sir.
Mr. Sanft (54:12):
Were you ever aware that in 2008, Mr. Davis gave a proffer to the FBI, DEA, Compton PD, LAPD?
Dan Long (54:24):
While I was there?
Mr. Sanft (54:25):
Yes.
Dan Long (54:26):
No. I was told that Duane Davis was arrested on a major drug case, and he was facing the rest of his life in prison, and that he was trying to work that case off. So when I was sitting out there and I learned that he's sitting there with his attorney, I'm like, "He's not going to tell me anything," and they're like, "Well, he's trying to work this off and it's about Tupac," and I'm like, "All right, let's try this." So we went in. But we finished, we made a drive over to Plaza One, then we left. I received some phone calls at that point and received more information when we got back to Vegas that there could be possibly a proffer, which made no sense to me.
Mr. Sanft (55:17):
Now, just one final question for you, and it's unrelated to anything that we've asked so far.
Dan Long (55:21):
Sure.
Mr. Sanft (55:22):
The question is this, are you aware of a program here in town called Barry's Boxing?
Dan Long (55:30):
I've heard of it.
Mr. Sanft (55:31):
Okay. I have no further questions, Your Honor.
Judge Carli Kierny (55:32):
[inaudible 00:55:37], Mr. DiGiacomo.
Mr. DiGiacomo (55:40):
Detective, how are you?
Dan Long (55:41):
Good. How are you, Marc? I mean, Mr. DiGiacomo.
Mr. DiGiacomo (55:46):
You went to homicide in 2000, correct?
Dan Long (55:49):
That's correct.
Mr. DiGiacomo (55:49):
And Mike Frankston, Brent Becker... Well, I guess Mike probably retired before Frank left the unit, correct?
Dan Long (55:56):
Well, he trained me for a while. Mike was preparing to retire, so the desk I was going to get was his, and I was trying to soak up as much as I could from him because he was a very, very senior detective. Him and Brent Becker were very, very good detectives, so I was trying to suck up as much as I could. That was the squad I was going to anyway.
Mr. DiGiacomo (56:19):
And when Sergeant Manning hands you the Tupac file, you already had an understanding from Mike Frankston and Brent Becker of who you thought was in the car?
Dan Long (56:32):
Yes, sir.
Mr. DiGiacomo (56:33):
And when Mr. Davis in 2009 tells you that, it's the same people?
Dan Long (56:39):
Yes, sir.
Mr. DiGiacomo (56:43):
I think Mr. Sanft maybe missed on one of your trips to Compton prior to, I guess, November of 2004 when he died. In early 2004, did you try and make contact with Big Dre Smith?
Dan Long (57:01):
Yes.
Mr. DiGiacomo (57:02):
And describe that for us.
Dan Long (57:04):
I was with actually a gang squad, and this is during the time when you can read it all, you can read all this information, but it's better if you go down there and look at it, especially... Well, so I went down to look at it and they were taking me on a tour, most of Compton. They took me to the car wash where Orlando died, that kind of thing. While we were driving by the Emerson Elementary School, which is right in the center of the Compton Crip turf, some of the guys in the... I was driving in the back seat and taking notes.
(57:47)
They said, "There goes Big Dre, Deandre Smith," which is somebody that's obviously in Brent Becker's files, and he was walking through the field, the grass field. So I was like, "Well, stop. Let me talk to him." You got to try. I have no probable cause. I have no legal right to make a stop. I'm not even in my jurisdiction, but I can try. So I stepped out of the car and I say, "Mr. Smith, I'm Detective Long from Las Vegas," and he said, "F you and F off." He's not censoring what he said, and he just lumbers across the field. So I had no reason to stop him, so I just waved.
Mr. DiGiacomo (58:34):
Now, in 2009, you wind up in a room with Mr. Davis, and your belief is he's trying to work off charges.
Dan Long (58:42):
Yes, sir.
Mr. DiGiacomo (58:42):
What does that mean?
Dan Long (58:47):
Literally, he's looking at the rest of his life in prison for what they had caught him with. So if he gives substantial information about cases, and that's what they had brought him in for, was to give information about cases. One of the cases was the Wallace case, Notorious B.I.G. During this part of it, he started telling them about Tupac, and this is in 2008, I believe. So that's what I was told.
Mr. DiGiacomo (59:19):
But essentially, and I don't want to talk about specifically, what is just working off your charges? Does Metro have certain rules, let me ask you, about working off charges and how you work off charges?
Dan Long (59:30):
Yes. In a non-victim crime, you can work off charges. You can't work off a murder, you can't work off a sexual assault, you can't work... Those are victim crimes. If you have a victim, you can't work off those charges, but if you have something else, like a lot of drugs, you could work off maybe the amount of years you're going to do by giving substantial information on other cases. So that's what I believe that Mr. Davis and his attorney were trying to do, was to knock off certain amounts-
Dan Long (01:00:00):
... Mr. Davis and his attorney were trying to do was to knock off certain amount of time off of what he was going to spend in prison.
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:00:08):
And you know, or at least you believe, you'd agree with me, that Mr. Davis was a suspect in your homicide, not a witness?
Dan Long (01:00:19):
Yes, sir.
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:00:20):
And by the end of that interview, what is your intent?
Dan Long (01:00:27):
My intent was to drive back to Las Vegas, type up a warrant for an arrest, clear it with the district attorney, and have Mr. Davis arrested for murder.
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:00:40):
Now, at that point, did you and members of my team have an opportunity to actually listen to the recording?
Dan Long (01:00:51):
Yes, sir.
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:00:52):
And we heard the section where you're not in the room, correct?
Dan Long (01:00:57):
That's correct.
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:00:58):
And then, so did we give you some direction?
Dan Long (01:01:03):
Yes. So this is several weeks after I had come back. This is several weeks after I had come back from California with the recording. So we brought the recording and the transcription over. The DA reviewed it and they invited me over and they told me that they were not going to go forward with prosecution at that time, because there's a lot of complications.
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:01:35):
Let me ask it this way, were you directed to find out the circumstances of why it was that a suspect in our homicide was in a room with his lawyer and a task force officer having that conversation?
Dan Long (01:01:51):
Yes, sir.
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:01:52):
And at this point, you've been told there might be a proffer somewhere out there in 2008?
Dan Long (01:01:59):
Yes, sir. That's correct.
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:02:00):
And proffers are between lawyers and sovereigns, correct?
Dan Long (01:02:04):
That's correct.
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:02:05):
So it's either got to be the U.S. Attorney's Office or the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office, but it certainly wasn't the State of Nevada or the Clark County District Attorney's Office?
Dan Long (01:02:15):
That's correct.
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:02:16):
And did you make efforts to find out from Wayne Higgins what the nature of that agreement was between him and some other sovereign?
Dan Long (01:02:28):
Yes. Mr. Higgins as well as others, yes.
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:02:32):
And you would agree with me that Mr. Higgins wouldn't return our calls?
Dan Long (01:02:36):
That's correct.
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:02:38):
Did you attempt to contact U.S. Attorney Searight?
Dan Long (01:02:41):
Yes.
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:02:42):
And you would agree with me Mr. U.S. Attorney Searight, at least at that time, would not return our calls?
Dan Long (01:02:49):
Correct. Would not speak to me.
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:02:50):
And by the time... Well, let me ask you this, based upon that situation, did you get directed to reach out to Daryn Dupree to see if we could get leverage on the driver, Terrence Brown?
Dan Long (01:03:09):
Yes, I did reach out to Detective Dupree. Clarence Brown is a gangster operating in Compton, California, so he's going to be committing crimes. I asked him if he gets arrested for whatever reason to give me a call and I want to come down and talk to him. Yeah.
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:03:40):
Okay. And ultimately, that never happens. You never get a phone call saying, "Hey, we got Bubble Up in custody. Come down here. Let's interview Bubble Up?"
Dan Long (01:03:49):
Correct. Bubble Up is the street name for Mr. Brown.
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:03:53):
And so by the time you retire in 2017, we have no statement from Bubble Up?
Dan Long (01:04:02):
No.
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:04:03):
And we still don't know the circumstances surrounding why those three people were in a room talking to you?
Dan Long (01:04:10):
No. I believed I did at that time, but obviously I didn't.
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:04:14):
Thank you. Nothing further.
Judge (01:04:14):
Redirect.
Mr. Sanft (01:04:22):
Sir, can you tell us who from the district attorney's office you were speaking to during that time period?
Dan Long (01:04:29):
Mostly, it would be Pam Weckerly.
Mr. Sanft (01:04:31):
Who was the other district attorney as well besides Pam Weckerly?
Dan Long (01:04:35):
The entire MVU.
Mr. Sanft (01:04:36):
Was Mr. DiGiacomo one of those individuals?
Dan Long (01:04:39):
Yes, sir.
Mr. Sanft (01:04:40):
Now at the time, who was the elected district attorney? Was it-
Dan Long (01:04:47):
Mr. Wilson.
Mr. Sanft (01:04:48):
Was it Steve Wilson?
Dan Long (01:04:49):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (01:04:51):
Not David Roger?
Dan Long (01:04:53):
Nope. I don't believe he was there anymore.
Mr. Sanft (01:04:55):
All right. Now, your testimony here is that you had every intention when you came back to charge the case?
Dan Long (01:05:04):
Yes, sir.
Mr. Sanft (01:05:05):
And when you came back, you reached out to the District Attorney's Office and you said, "Hey, we think we should charge this case?"
Dan Long (01:05:11):
Yes.
Mr. Sanft (01:05:13):
And they did not immediately give you a response as to what they were going to do?
Dan Long (01:05:18):
No, they told me to stand down and they were going to review it. I got the information to them as quickly as I could. It had to be typed up by one of our secretaries, but I did make sure they got the audio as quick as they could. There was plenty of probable cause to arrest for murder.
Mr. Sanft (01:05:38):
Sure. Now, just for the jury's edification, probable cause is not beyond reasonable doubt, fair?
Dan Long (01:05:43):
Say that again. I'm sorry.
Mr. Sanft (01:05:44):
Probable cause is not beyond reasonable doubt, right?
Dan Long (01:05:47):
No, that's what we do here.
Mr. Sanft (01:05:48):
That's correct. And in terms of the information that you had learned at the time that you met with Mr. Davis, did you verify any of that information?
Dan Long (01:05:57):
Say it again. I'm sorry.
Mr. Sanft (01:05:58):
Did you verify any of the information in that recording in 2009 that Mr. Davis said?
Dan Long (01:06:01):
I wasn't able to.
Mr. Sanft (01:06:02):
And once again, verification meaning corroboration, right?
Dan Long (01:06:08):
That's correct.
Mr. Sanft (01:06:09):
In fact, I think on the recording you had told Mr. Davis a couple of times, "Look, even though what you're telling me you might say is the truth, I still need to corroborate this information."
Dan Long (01:06:17):
That's correct.
Mr. Sanft (01:06:18):
And that would've been your standard operating procedure with anyone telling you anything?
Dan Long (01:06:22):
That's correct.
Mr. Sanft (01:06:23):
So for instance, as you're sitting here right now, do you have any-
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:06:26):
Judge, I'm going to object to leading. It's his witness.
Mr. Sanft (01:06:29):
I'm sorry. I'm so used to [inaudible 01:06:31].
Judge (01:06:31):
It's hard. I know.
Mr. Sanft (01:06:32):
Let me ask it this way.
Judge (01:06:33):
You'd better rephrase.
Mr. Sanft (01:06:37):
Yes, I'll rephrase. Was there any information that you ever received about whether or not Mr. Davis was in Las Vegas in September of 1996?
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:06:44):
Well, objection, leading.
Judge (01:06:48):
He can say yes or no. I'll overrule.
Dan Long (01:06:51):
Did I?
Mr. Sanft (01:06:52):
Yeah.
Dan Long (01:06:52):
No.
Mr. Sanft (01:06:57):
And when you reviewed the file in this case, were there any people calling in saying that they did it, they did the murder?
Dan Long (01:07:06):
Sure.
Mr. Sanft (01:07:07):
I mean, can you give us a number or an amount?
Dan Long (01:07:14):
There was a lot. There was quite a few. I mean, I had information that Bill Clinton had him killed. I mean, there was a-
Mr. Sanft (01:07:26):
Did you follow up?
Dan Long (01:07:26):
No, we did not follow up on that. There was a lot of calls, a lot of people claiming to have been involved, no.
Mr. Sanft (01:07:35):
Yeah. And fair to say though-
Dan Long (01:07:37):
Most of the time they couldn't get any of the information correct.
Mr. Sanft (01:07:40):
Right. And so when you're determining, for instance, a confession, what are you looking for? If someone says, "I confess to this," what information do you use to determine whether it's correct or not?
Dan Long (01:07:54):
What kind of vehicle were you in? How did the shooting occur? What kind of firearm was it? Where did you go from there? What preceded it? How did you... All of it. I mean, anything that you can find, as in facts, you want to connect to them. I'm behind the eight ball because I'm, what, 15 years after the fact or 14 years after the fact trying to corroborate different things. But I mean, I made the attempts.
Mr. Sanft (01:08:28):
Okay. And with regards to the information that we're talking about here, was any of the information you're sharing with us already available to the public?
Dan Long (01:08:39):
I don't know. I'm sure there was information that's out there. I mean, there was so much interest in the case, I'm sure there was.
Mr. Sanft (01:08:47):
Now, just finally, in terms of your reaching out to people, Mr. Searight, who was he?
Dan Long (01:08:55):
The Attorney General of California.
Mr. Sanft (01:08:58):
And the District Attorney's Office requested that you reach out to the Attorney General of California?
Dan Long (01:09:04):
They were going to do it, I was going to do it. Whoever could do it would be great, but...
Mr. Sanft (01:09:10):
Okay. And then in terms of the other people, Mr. Dupree or Detective Dupree, when was the first time you ever met Mr. Dupree or Detective Dupree? I apologize.
Dan Long (01:09:24):
I'm not positive.
Mr. Sanft (01:09:25):
Was it in the meeting at 2009?
Dan Long (01:09:28):
No, I met him before that.
Mr. Sanft (01:09:31):
Can you give us an estimation as to when that was?
Dan Long (01:09:33):
A couple of years before. I think it had to do with the gun trip, I think is when I met him.
Mr. Sanft (01:09:41):
And just for my edification with that gun, was it a real gun?
Dan Long (01:09:45):
Yeah, a Glock 40. There's a lot of Glock 40s out there. I had no idea there was that many.
Mr. Sanft (01:09:50):
Yeah. Thank you. I have no further questions. Thank you, sir.
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:09:53):
Real briefly. When Mr. Sanft said were you able to corroborate information that Mr. Davis gave you, you're talking about information you didn't already know, correct?
Dan Long (01:10:02):
Correct.
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:10:04):
There was a substantial amount of information in this file that Mr. Davis, Mr. Brown, Mr. Anderson, and Mr. Smith were in the car the night when the murder occurred.
Dan Long (01:10:16):
Yes. The way I took when he asked me that, is did I do corroboration? Brent Becker and Mike Franks, the original detectives, corroborated a lot of different things. I didn't specifically go back in time and do what they did.
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:10:32):
You were relying upon the information they already had, so when Mr. Davis is telling you this story, it's not like the crazies that are calling saying, "I killed Tupac or Tupac's still alive," or all and any of that stuff?
Dan Long (01:10:46):
That's correct.
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:10:46):
Nothing further.
Judge (01:10:49):
Any free redirect? Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, any questions for Detective Long? We have a few.
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:10:54):
One more question.
Judge (01:10:54):
Oh, we have one more question.
Duane Davis (01:10:54):
[inaudible 01:13:00].
Judge (01:13:02):
When your lieutenant said too many people were going into the Tupac murder file, what did they mean?
Dan Long (01:13:04):
Hell, yeah, good question. Officers were curious and they would go in and see what was in there, because there was a lot of stuff in social media. So they were going in to look and read, so he decided that wasn't going to happen anymore because the information could get out, so he locked it down.
Judge (01:13:31):
Were you the only one assigned to Tupac's case?
Dan Long (01:13:32):
In 2004, Sergeant Manning handed me the case to do any follow up. There was a full squad I was on, six detectives and a sergeant. All of them were available to help, and we had some very experienced, very talented detectives on the squad, so I would lean on them. Everybody's curious why would they hand the case to a rookie? But I had access to some very, very experienced, excellent detectives.
Judge (01:14:14):
Were you able to interview everyone who occupied the cream or white Cadillac or is alleged to have?
Dan Long (01:14:22):
No. I tried to talk to Big Dre, Deandre Smith, he died that same year. Orlando died in 1998 in a shootout at a car wash, and Mr. Brown died in, I believe it was 2015.
Judge (01:14:45):
Did you ever interview Suge Knight about the shootings during the interview process?
Dan Long (01:14:50):
I tried. I had a partner that had played football with him and knew him very, very well, and I was complaining that I could never even talk to Suge on the phone. So my partner says, "Oh, I can make a phone call. We can have it right now." And he made a phone call, talked to Suge, and Suge hung up on him. So it was the same old, same old.
Judge (01:15:14):
Do you know which arm was hurt, right or left arm for Orlando Anderson?
Dan Long (01:15:21):
No, I do not. Sorry.
Judge (01:15:23):
Were you able to verify and confirm Mr. Davis was actually in the white Cadillac the night of Tupac's murder? Yes, that's the question. Sorry, the handwriting is-
Dan Long (01:15:36):
I'm sorry, can you read it again?
Judge (01:15:37):
Yeah. Were you able to verify and confirm Mr. Davis was actually in the white Cadillac the night of Tupac's murder?
Dan Long (01:15:46):
By Mr. Davis telling me that he was in a white Cadillac on the night of the murder, and that the shooting came from that same white Cadillac.
Judge (01:15:57):
Any follow up based on that, Mr. Sanft?
Mr. Sanft (01:16:00):
But no actual facts outside of what Mr. Davis told you?
Dan Long (01:16:05):
No.
Mr. Sanft (01:16:06):
No further questions, Your Honor.
Judge (01:16:07):
Mr. DiGiacomo?
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:16:07):
No.
Judge (01:16:10):
All right, you are excused. Thanks, Detective Long.
Dan Long (01:16:12):
Thank you. No fireworks this time.
Judge (01:16:16):
Mr. Sanft, any additional witnesses?
Mr. Sanft (01:16:18):
No, Your Honor.
Judge (01:16:18):
Do you rest?
Mr. Sanft (01:16:18):
We do, Your Honor.
Judge (01:16:21):
State, any rebuttal witnesses?
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:16:24):
No, Your Honor.
Judge (01:16:24):
So not you've reopened your case? Okay, so at this time, the presentation of the evidence in this case is closed. What we have to do amongst ourselves, is settle the law that applies to this case, and we are going to have everyone back on Monday at 9:00 AM for closing arguments. Please, during the recess, you're admonished not to talk or converse amongst yourselves or with anyone else on any subject connected to the trial, or rewatch or listen to any report or commentary on the trial of any person connected to this case by any medium of information, including without limitation, newspapers, television, the internet and radio or form or express any opinion on any subject connected with the trial until it is submitted to you. Please rise for the jury, everyone. All right, the jury is exited. You can be seated. Scheduling wise, what remains to be done is jury instructions being settled. What time do we want to do those tomorrow? I was leaving that up to the defense, because there were some obligations that they had.
Mr. Sanft (01:17:53):
Nine o'clock.
Judge (01:17:54):
Does nine o'clock work better for you? We'll do tomorrow at nine then?
Mr. DiGiacomo (01:17:58):
Yes.
Judge (01:17:58):
And I think we should be done by the time that you need. And Mr. Davis, do you want to be present to settle jury instructions? It's up to you.
Mr. Sanft (01:18:06):
It's up to you. Thank you.
Duane Davis (01:18:06):
[inaudible 01:18:13].
Judge (01:18:12):
It's like legal arguments. If you want to be here, we'd be happy to have you. If you don't want to be here, you don't have to.
Duane Davis (01:18:18):
I don't want to.
Judge (01:18:18):
You want to waive your appearance for that?
Duane Davis (01:18:21):
Yeah.
Judge (01:18:21):
Okay. So I'll then just see the attorneys back 9:00 AM tomorrow. It's not presentation of evidence, it's just settling the jury instructions. It should be pretty quick. And then the next big thing for everyone watching at home is going to be closings 9:00 AM on Monday.
Mr. Sanft (01:18:39):
Yes, ma'am.
Judge (01:18:39):
Okay. Sounds good. All right, we'll see everyone back 9:00 AM tomorrow.
Mr. Sanft (01:18:43):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:18:43):
[inaudible 01:18:53].
