Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, Stephen, how are you?
Stephen Miller (00:03):
Hey, I'm good, thank you. Good morning, everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
Good morning.
Stephen Miller (00:06):
Who wants to go first?
Speaker 3 (00:07):
I'll ask. Do you plan on ramping up, or does the administration plan on ramping up deportations to El Salvador? And how many people do you want El Salvador to take from the United States?
Stephen Miller (00:19):
Well, as an example, there are thousands of either Tren de Aragua members left in this country or their affiliates and associates. So obviously, some portion of those will be going to El Salvador as part of our effort to eradicate this foreign terrorist organization from the United States. But there's no upward limit to the agreement. We're going to continue to send foreign terrorist aliens to El Salvador, as well as to many other countries.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Thank you.
Stephen Miller (00:50):
I think you were first.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Is the president asking President Bukele today to send Mr. Abrego Garcia back to the US?
Stephen Miller (00:57):
Again, to be very clear about this, the Supreme Court ruled that the district court cannot obviously, compel us to conduct diplomacy or foreign policy with other nations, so they overturned the district court order and they said very clearly that the district court, it was actually a unanimous his ruling, overreached in that ruling. I'm not going to reveal any head of state conversations or conversations at the State Department or the lower level, but the important point that we all agree on is that he's an El Salvadorian, that is his country of nativity and citizenship.
(01:33)
He's an illegal alien in the United States, he has no lawful right to be here. He was issued a final order of removal from this country, and so it's up to El Salvador and to the government and the people of El Salvador what the fate of their own citizens is. We can't extradite citizens of foreign countries to our country over the objection of those countries. Obviously, to do that would be a monstrous violation of international law. We can't go into other countries and kidnap their citizens and then take them back into our country. That's up to El Salvador and their own-
Speaker 4 (02:04):
But you can ask them to send him back, right?
Stephen Miller (02:06):
But it's their own citizen. Remember, this whole entire conversation has been wrong from the beginning because nobody was mistakenly deported anywhere. That's the big fact that most of you have gotten wrong, no one was mistakenly sent anywhere. The only mistake that was made is a lawyer put an incorrect line in a legal filing and has since been relieved of duty. He is El Salvadorian, he is an illegal alien. He was deported to El Salvador. I would welcome anyone here to tell me what country they think we should be sending El Salvadorian illegal aliens to.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Didn't a judge order that he not be deported to El Salvador five years ago?
Stephen Miller (02:46):
What you're referring to is an immigration judge, so that's Article II, not Article III, so there was no Article III restraint on his removal. A withholding order or a cancellation of removal order, first of all, as I'm sure you know, does not eliminate the deportation order. We all agree on that. So his status was he's an illegal alien who's been ordered deported, which means he could be indefinitely detained and removed to any other country in the world. He could be sent to literally any country on the face of the earth. But the preference, general matter, is to deport someone to their home country, in this case, El Salvador. Because he is a member of a foreign terrorist organization, withholding orders don't apply to FTOs for obvious reasons.
(03:27)
So if you had an illegal alien, say, from Syria who's a member of ISIS, they can't apply for withholding of removal so that principle applies here. Furthermore, the gang that he said was going to persecute him, this theory that he's an MS-13 and there's this rival gang, the 18th Street gang, doesn't exist anymore in El Salvador so the entire concept is false. But again, when the media talks about the idea that there was a mistaken removal, it implies to I think a normal listener, the wrong person was sent somewhere. He's an illegal alien from El Salvador. Where was he sent? To El Salvador. Where does he belong? In El Salvador.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
He's in prison in El Salvador. That's different, right? It's different sending someone home and sending them into a prison that they could remain in for life.
Stephen Miller (04:14):
It is up to El Salvador how to handle the process for their own citizens. Again, what you seem to be asking us to do is to change the government and the laws of El Salvador. So if we deport somebody back to, for example, Syria, should we be closely involved on a day-to-day basis with the Syrian government, detailing that person's life and future? If we deport, say, 100,000 people back to Haiti, should we open a case file on each of those 100,000 people and ask every day, "What's their housing situation? What's their healthcare situation? What might they need, what might they want?" Once someone's out of our country, that becomes the problem of their host country, not our country. These people chose to invade us, so there's a lot of concern from the corporate media about the invaders, but they chose to invade us. It's our responsibility to return them back to where they came from or another country willing to take them.
Speaker 8 (05:05):
Do you believe the Supreme Court-
Speaker 11 (05:07):
Stephen, is the president going to ask for him to be returned to the United States or not, yes or no?
Stephen Miller (05:12):
First of all, it's not a question for me to answer, but I think that the assumption that underlies the question is what needs to be corrected, which is that there was no mistake that was made. Let me ask you, what do you think would happen to him if he came back to this country? Under your understanding of immigration laws, what do you think would happen?
Speaker 11 (05:30):
But I'm just asking at this point-
Stephen Miller (05:34):
It's important to know. You're asking a lot questions-
Speaker 11 (05:34):
I'm talking about whether or not the president plans to ask El Salvador-
Stephen Miller (05:35):
You're all asking a lot of questions about this and you all seem to care about it a lot, so let's see if any of you have researched anything about this issue at all. Can anyone here tell me what would happen to the illegal alien from El Salvador if you came back from the United States? Does anyone here know? Does anyone want to guess, any of you?
Speaker 7 (05:51):
He could be with his family.
Stephen Miller (05:52):
Do any of you know the answer to the question? Legally, what would happen if he came back here? Does any of you know anything?
Speaker 8 (05:58):
Do you really believe the Supreme Court-
Stephen Miller (06:00):
I'm talking now. You need to stop, I'm talking now.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Doesn't think [inaudible 00:06:05] why was it unanimous?
Stephen Miller (06:05):
You're done. Does any of you know the answer to the question? Do any of you? You've been talking about it for days.
Speaker 9 (06:11):
I'm assuming [inaudible 00:06:12] be deported again.
Stephen Miller (06:13):
He would be arrested, he'd be put in confinement, he would be deported the second time to El Salvador again, because there's no withholding order for an alien who's a member of a foreign terrorist organization, number one. Number two is the gang that he's a member of doesn't exist in El Salvador anymore. So what you're asking for is to be deported twice. But additionally, if we chose to pretend, just pretend that the withholding order was real, he would be deported to a different country. For example, he could be deported to Egypt.
(06:47)
So I'm just trying to understand, is it your view, in other words, you define a country that would be willing to take a MS-13 member from El Salvador. What I'm trying to understand from you all is if he came back and under our laws, he was then deported to Egypt or to Somalia, would you then be saying, "Great, I'm so glad that you deported him to another country?" Is that what you'd all be saying? Do you understand our immigration laws at all? But the premise of your question, gentleman, guys, do you know the difference between a deportation order and a withholding order? Do you know the difference, any of you, please? Do you?
Speaker 10 (07:30):
Well, we're not in the government.
Stephen Miller (07:32):
So you couldn't even spend 72 hours over the weekend learning the distinction, even though you've been writing and talking about it this whole time. Please, just raise your hand. Does you know the difference between a deportation order and a withholding order?
Speaker 5 (07:44):
My question is how do you know that he's a member of MS-13? The White House has repeatedly said, according to intelligence-
Stephen Miller (07:49):
By the way, according with our government and his government, in other words, his government has confirmed based their own intelligence that he's a member of MS-13. First of all, do you dispute that he's an illegal alien?
Speaker 5 (07:59):
What's that?
Stephen Miller (07:59):
Do you dispute that he's an illegal alien?
Speaker 5 (08:01):
No.
Stephen Miller (08:01):
Okay, and do you dispute that as an illegal alien, we have the right to deport him?
Speaker 5 (08:09):
He should be [inaudible 00:08:11] process.
Stephen Miller (08:11):
He went through the legal process. What I'm getting from this conversation, which is educational for me, is that not one person in the media knows the difference between a deportation order and a withholding order. Is that a fair statement? You're learning about this all for the first time right now? I guess so. A deportation order means a judge has said he must be deported from the country, he has no right to remain here any longer. He must be removed from the country. So his only options are to be deported to his home country or another country, that's it. There's no other option.
(08:42)
He doesn't get to stay here, he doesn't get to live here. He has no future here, he has no right to be here. He's an illegal alien. So when you keep saying return, because you've been spun up by the open borders advocates, you all seem to be operating under the illusion that he would be able to come to the United States and just continue to live here illegally. That's not an option available to him. His only choices in life are to live in El Salvador or to live in another country, that's it. There's no other option legally or otherwise, because he came to our country illegally. Do you understand that?
Speaker 6 (09:12):
Stephen, can I ask, as a matter of policy, does the administration believe that immigration judges, because they're under DOJ, that their orders can be overruled by what the administration wants? Is that a general matter of policy?
Stephen Miller (09:23):
Well, actually, specifically it's the Attorney General has authority to overrule the immigration course, and that's actually by statute. Yes, other question.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Stephen, on the gold card, the President and Secretary Lutnick had suggested they're lining up applicants already. How many people do you expect to be tagged to this program when the president announces it this week, if he actually announced it this week?
Stephen Miller (09:46):
I'll let Secretary Lutnick provide that update, but I appreciate that.
Speaker 12 (09:52):
[inaudible 00:09:51] the White House administration's going to deport 1 million undocumented or illegal aliens?
Stephen Miller (09:54):
Much more than that, much more.
Speaker 12 (09:56):
Stephen also, of the 10 alleged gang members that Secretary Rubio said were sent to El Salvador over the weekend, what sort of due process did they get as mandated by the Supreme Court?
Stephen Miller (10:08):
Well, you're talking about the alien enemies?
Speaker 12 (10:09):
Yes, the alien-
Stephen Miller (10:12):
First of all, a number of those are MS-13s, so again, those are just standard removals of El Salvadorians to El Salvador and without-
Speaker 12 (10:22):
What evidence did you provide that they were MS-13?
Stephen Miller (10:22):
Okay, so we seem to be confused about this. Illegal aliens from El Salvador, again, get deported to El Salvador. Do you all appreciate that tens of thousands of El Salvadorans have been deported to El Salvador? You seem to be under the impression that El Salvadorans living in our country illegally just get to stay here. They don't, they get arrested and deported. Then the fact that they're MS-13 just was an extra priority on our deporting them. But we would deport someone to El Salvador regardless of whether or not they were MS-13 if they were here illegally. That's just an extra. Because the priority on public safety threats, we're emphasizing the removals of gang members, in this case, foreign terrorist organization gang members. But as to your other question, they went through all the due process, as you would call it, that is required by law. What I find so mystifying is that I've been talking to you all for a very long time.
(11:13)
I legitimately in my entire, I mean going back years actually, in my entire professional life, I've never received this many questions from the media about an American who was raped or murdered by an illegal alien, legitimately never. And all of you who are enjoying your lives and doing quite well, if you had children and you were living near any of these people, you would move away immediately, you would call the police immediately. You would call us and ask us to make you and your family safer immediately. And you thank your lucky stars every night that you have enough means and enough money not to live in communities where say, illegal alien pedophiles offend and re-offend and keep re-offending and keep re-offending. The expression, "There but for the grace of God, go I."
(11:53)
The Biden administration apprehended two illegal aliens from Venezuela. They were Tren de Aragua. A lot more than two [inaudible 00:12:05] and they decided they were entitled to an enormous amount of due process. They didn't feel they had enough evidence to just deport them right away, so they put them on a monitoring system known as supervised release. You're familiar with this case. But a few weeks later, they kidnapped a young girl named Jocelyn Nungaray, who was 12 years old at the time. I'm sure you've seen pictures of her. I mean, just the most perfect girl you could possibly imagine and her mother loved her very much. She was tied up, savagely beaten, stripped naked, tortured to death, murdered. Her body was dumped into the lake.
(12:46)
So she didn't get any due process, but I'll tell you who did, are the two illegal aliens from Venezuela who stole her forever. And there's stories like that all over the country. We just arrested a pedophile illegal alien who was being shielded by a sanctuary city, who's been charged in 26 crimes against children. None of you, any of you have had the chance to spend time with victims' families, whose children have been raped or whose wives been raped, been murdered. But if that doesn't break your heart, nothing will. I know that we have some people like Taylor Lawrence, who fantasize about assassinations and things like that. But in the civilized society, the power of the State is used to keep innocent people alive and to keep innocent women and children from being hurt.
(13:30)
This administration is never going to apologize for using the power of the State to keep men, women and children from being savaged murdered and beaten. If we release known and suspected MS-13 and Tran de Aragua and then there's another Jocelyn Nungaray, then whose responsibility is that going to be? Do you think that we're going to sit around, wringing our hands, wondering if, "Oh, maybe we should release this person, give them a little bit of extra time, give them a little bit extra chance to plead their case," and then what, and kidnap somebody, they slit their throat, they shoot them in the head? And we say, "Well, at least the illegal alien got due process." They're here illegally. The only place that they deserve to go is to some country other than our country. And it's not a statistic, these are real lives, these are real families.
(14:16)
There's whole neighborhoods, whole neighborhoods in Los Angeles controlled by illegal alien Mexican street gangs. Entire neighborhoods where you have to live in fear because of individuals here illegally, engaging in extortion and crime, not to mention the fentanyl. You have cartels that have functional control over the entire Northern territory in Mexico, who are pumping fentanyl, lacing our drugs with this chemical, children are ending up dead. They're going out to a weekend party, they think they're taking something safe and they get a heart attack and they die by the thousands.
(16:50)
So we're not going to apologize for doing something about that, and I just wish we lived in a country where the media gave to one-tenth a damn as much about Americans who were murdered and brutalized and savagely killed, beaten to death, as they did about whether illegal aliens that we all agree are illegal aliens, should get a million days in court and a million trials and a million this and a million that. There's 15 million illegal aliens that violated the country.
(17:15)
If every one of them got the trial that you're asking for, it would take us centuries to remove them, centuries. We've been talking about this in 300, 400 years. Their great, great, great grandchildren would be the ones representing them in court, that's how long it would take. Illegal aliens who come to our country have to be removed and they have to be removed quickly, and that is an essential component of having something that we like to call a country. One last question, thank you.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Stephen, on the matter of visa restrictions, the President on his first day in office, signed an executive order, calling on his administration, the Department of Homeland Security, State Department, DNI, to come up with a list of countries that did meet the United States' vetting standards and to potentially put full or partial visa restrictions on those countries. I just want to know, what is the status of that report that was due to the administration last month? Do you have a list [inaudible 00:16:06] countries?
Stephen Miller (18:07):
The State Department has done the work that you're describing, is currently going through the standard review process. I don't have an update beyond that, but I mean, you're correct in your statement that this was a product that was called for at the beginning of the administration and it's being worked on and hopefully have a further update for you soon. Last question. Entire neighborhoods where you have to live in fear because of individuals here illegally, engaged in extortion and crime, not to mention the fentanyl. You have cartels that have functional control over the entire Northern territory in Mexico, who are pumping fentanyl, lacing our drugs with this chemical, children are ending up dead. They're going out to a weekend party, they think they're taking something safe and they get a heart attack and they die by the thousands. So we're not going to apologize for doing something about that.
(18:23)
And I just wish we lived in a country where the media gave one 10th a damn as much about Americans who were murdered and brutalized and savagely killed, beaten to death, as they did about whether illegal aliens that we all agree are illegal aliens, should get a million days in court and a million trials and a million this and a million that. There's 15 million illegal aliens that violated into the country. If every one of them got the trial that you're asking for, it would take us centuries to remove them, centuries. We'd be talking about this in 300, 400 years. Their great, great, great grandchildren would be the ones representing them in court, that's how long it would take. Illegal aliens who come to our country have to be removed and they have to be removed quickly, and that is an essential component of having something that we like to call a country. One last question, thank you.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Stephen, on the matter of visa restrictions, the President, on his first day in office, signed an executive order, calling on his administration, the Department of Homeland Security, State Department, DNI, to come up with a list of countries that did meet the United States' vetting standards and to potentially put full or partial Visa restrictions on those countries. I just want to know, what is the status of that report that was due to the administration last month? Do you have a list [inaudible 00:18:23] countries?
Stephen Miller (18:23):
The State Department has done the work that you're describing, is currently going through the standard review process. I don't have an update beyond that, but I mean, you're correct in your statement that this was a product that was called for at the beginning of the administration and is being worked on and hopefully have a further update for you soon. Last question.
Speaker 13 (18:24):
If I may, first, that Trump continues to say that one of the best arguments for sending undocumented criminals to El Salvador is cost. When it comes to this White House, considering sending US citizens to El Salvador because of being criminals, is that the same argument, cost?
Stephen Miller (18:39):
The El Salvadorian deportation program is for illegal aliens, but I would also say that on the cost point, what we're referring to is the fact that long-term incarceration in the United States probably costs 100X what it costs to send somebody to El Salvador. In other words, if an illegal alien commits a crime in this country and then has to go into our judicial and penal system, I don't know the exact numbers, but I'm assuming it's probably looking at 100X cost. But I'll just close by saying the amount of lives that we've saved since we showed up, by shutting down the border since President Trump issued his executive orders and began deporting criminals is already in the thousands.
(19:20)
And by the way, we've been out looking for the 500,000 children [inaudible 00:19:26] trafficking of this country, the stories we've already uncovered of sex trafficking and labor trafficking and child abuse is beyond imagination. Half a million minors were smuggled into this country under the last administration, and the administration not only didn't do anything to prevent it, in every way they funded it, subsidized it, facilitated it and supported it, contributed to it that if any American citizen did these things, they'd be in jail for life. Thank you.
Speaker 13 (19:48):
So that means the more US [inaudible 00:19:51]
Speaker 14 (19:49):
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